was slavery in the United States an Irish issue?
You pick and choose your own comparisons when it suits the agenda, my point is valid.
There were Irish people, living in Ireland at the time, who owned and benefited hugely from slavery and the slave trade if that’s what you’re asking. …
The Pyramid Harries above in Sligo will be raging.
MItchel lived in the States at the time. So Mt. Rushmore is a valid comparison then. That honours slave owners in the United States.
You’re only willing to discount Irish slavers and racists. The rest is grand?
I’m not arguing this from a white privilege point of view Tom. I’m arguing that our ancestors were cunts, the past is horrible and it’s important to remember that.
Names are names, things are things. They get to stand for whatever we choose them to stand for now. A reminder of our brutal history and how it wasn’t that long ago.
What the USA do in their country is up to them, I cant alter that course … their failure to act on racist issue has created all kinds of social problems and violence.
What we’re talking about is relative to Ireland and a chance to say how we in the 21st century view ourselves and what we want our future to be ---- running around bringing in 3000 year old monuments and structures on the side of a mountain elsewhere is irrelevant.
The man you and toes are defending wasnt just a slave owner he was proudly racist and outspoken on the topic of white superiority.
Anyway, i’m also coming at this from a wider point of view and if this country is to get serious about uniting there will have to be concessions made.
The give up the flag, give up the anthem argument? At this time… you are a bad man!
talk about the future, but your whole argument is based on a 200 odd year old topic that happened in the USA for shaping the future of a name of a rural GAA club in Kerry. Is that the cut off point? 200 years for shaping the future, anything older than that is grand?
Are Mitchels GAA club a white supremacist club?
I dont think you can pin his racist views of white superiority to just America … You’re confusing the issue of slavery with his ideological world view — in that way you can neatly side step what he believed and argued for all his life just to live in a bubble of white privilege next door to confederate toes.
[quote=“EstebanSexface, post:108, topic:31524, full:true”]
The only member of that club that i know of called Ian Wright a Coon on social media…
1 Like
There is also a John Mitchel’s in Derry and 2 in the UK
I’m not sidestepping anything bro
he was a cunt - own it, accept it.
I think it speaks more of White Privilege to remove the parts we’re not proud of so that you can feel a little bit more comfortable about it.
1 Like
Not when it comes to an institution that’s supposed to represent and attract the community…
Mitchel was a Presbyterian who was married at Drumcree Church, it would be a real blow to our Orange brethren to have him removed from GAA club names on the same week that they launch a new club in East Belfast.
Are you saying Orange men are staunch racists also?
The Germans could never destroy the concentration camps on their soil today for if they did they would immediately be accused by @Thomas_Brady and co of trying to cover up their past atrocities and hiding from their crimes.
bingo. they’re representing their community. They aren’t representing John Mitchel.
You lads a very concerned with physical structures - it’s mind blowing how you’ll windmill all over the globe to ignore the fact that Ireland is an inherently racist country that celebrates racists openly.
Jesus christ — have a think about that one there.
1 Like
it’s mind blowing that you want to bury that under the carpet.