I won’t get into the whole Celtic thing in too much detail then. People who know fuck all about Celtic but yet still wear the shirt consider themselves supporters, so however many possible meanings of the word there are, the perception is that thay are supporters.
Case in point the lads in Celtic shirts who came to cheer on Henrik Larsson playing for Helsingborgs against Drogheda in the UEFA Cup - possibly the most stunning example of utter stupidity at any Irish sporting event, ever.
[quote=“north county corncrake”]
Id say if you did a poll on this forum alone you would find that the Celtic fans tend to travel over a lot more than LFC fans & UTD fans & im sure this would apply across the board [/quote]
That would hardly be the most conclusive poll to form opinions on the Irish sporting public now would it?
United and Liverpool don’t actually try to rape the resources of this country though. They are happy to win worldwide supporters, they aren’t pursuing an agenda.
[quote=“Sledgehammer”]I won’t get into the whole Celtic thing in too much detail then. People who know fuck all about Celtic but yet still wear the shirt consider themselves supporters, so however many possible meanings of the word there are, the perception is that thay are supporters.
Case in point the lads in Celtic shirts who came to cheer on Henrik Larsson playing for Helsingborgs against Drogheda in the UEFA Cup - possibly the most stunning example of utter stupidity at any Irish sporting event, ever.[/quote]
id have no problem cheering Helsingborgs on vs drogheda , what I heard is that a good few went along to see Larsson & the drogheda fans started booing him & they responded to that
from working with Man Utd & LFC fans I can assure you a lot of them wouldnt be proper supporters too- cant see how that differs with Celtic fans in ireland
[quote=“Sledgehammer”]That would hardly be the most conclusive poll to form opinions on the Irish sporting public now would it?
United and Liverpool don’t actually try to rape the resources of this country though. They are happy to win worldwide supporters, they aren’t pursuing an agenda.[/quote]
how does man utd marketing dept & celtic marketing dept differ for Ireland?
not at all, just warning Sledge that Celtic supporters take generalisations very very seriosuly, unless its against rangers fans who are all Huns 
Yeah… …one of the untouchables gets touched and the rest come piling in…one big love in…
United and Liverpool aren’t pursuing an agenda? So United are playing a pre-season game in Nigeria for the laugh? The reason they’re happy to pursue worldwide support is because of their own desire to become a global brand and derive additional income from these evolving markets. Hence, tours to America, South Africa, Asia etc. Celtic and most other Champions League teams around Europe are similarly trying to grow into new worldwide markets but they can’t compete to the extent of a Manchester United. I don’t at all get your ‘rape the resources of the country’ comment Sledge. Celtic are well within their rights to market the club to people from Ireland. Do you not agree?
[quote=“north county corncrake”] id have no problem cheering Helsingborgs on vs drogheda , what I heard is that a good few went along to see Larsson & the drogheda fans started booing him & they responded to that
from working with Man Utd & LFC fans I can assure you a lot of them wouldnt be proper supporters too- cant see how that differs with Celtic fans in ireland [/quote]
I think Larsson’s comments around the time were that he had no problem with booing and banter as he is a well known player, and I think that he had no problem understanding why fans of lesser clubs would boo him, that this is normal football fan behaviour, but that he found it more difficult to understand why Irish people came out to actively support a Swedish team that they have absolutely no connection with, against an Irish team.
NCC we have all experienced the more clueless sections of United and Liverpool support, I don’t think they are a whole lot different from Celtic fans apart from the fact that they haven’t actually fooled themselves into thinking that they are supporting an Irish club.
I expect most Celtic supporters went to that Helsingborgs game to see Henrik Larsson play rather than to actively cheer for or against the two competing teams.
[quote=“north county corncrake”]did you dress as a leprechaun?
are you minted already?[/quote]
No but I did have this on a t-shirt
http://bifsniff.com/images/cartoons/paddys-day.gif
earning a few bob, aint nothing wrong with it.
No of course not, but me not being Nigerian means that doesn’t affect me.
Of course. And as someone who has little interest in the SPL, but cares about the progressing of domestic football, I am well within my rights to express hostility at both them and the arsehole element of their support for that. Do you not agree?
Fair enough if that’s what you “expect”, but that wasn’t actually the case in reality.
[quote=“Sledgehammer”]I think Larsson’s comments around the time were that he had no problem with booing and banter as he is a well known player, and I think that he had no problem understanding why fans of lesser clubs would boo him, that this is normal football fan behaviour, but that he found it more difficult to understand why Irish people came out to actively support a Swedish team that they have absolutely no connection with, against an Irish team.
NCC we have all experienced the more clueless sections of United and Liverpool support, I don’t think they are a whole lot different from Celtic fans apart from the fact that they haven’t actually fooled themselves into thinking that they are supporting an Irish club.[/quote]
do they think they or supporting an Irish club or think they are supporting the team of the diaspora in Scotland- its debatable
It’s not debatable. A lot of them actually believe that Celtic are an Irish club. While obviously a lot realise that they are supporting a Scottish club based in Glasgow, brother Walfrid or no brother Walfrid.
[quote=“Sledgehammer”]No of course not, but me not being Nigerian means that doesn’t affect me.
Of course. And as someone who has little interest in the SPL, but cares about the progressing of domestic football, I am well within my rights to express hostility at both them and the arsehole element of their support for that. Do you not agree?[/quote]
Fair enough, you’re passionate about domestic Irish football and I don’t think either of us can be arsed getting into the semantics of arguing about how Irish Celtic is. But have not accepted by now that Celtic will always derive support from Ireland by virtue of their history and tradition? Football’s also a generational thing and Irish Celtic supporters are unlikely to fall away dramatically what with children following their fathers’ favourite team or whatever. It’s a fact that a lot of Irish people are interested in Celtic and it would be illogical if the club was reluctant to accept this support and, by extension, income.
I also think you’re being a bit harsh on Celtic, while letting Manchester United, Liverpool and the likes off the hook somewhat. The latter teams are heavily present in marketing in Ireland too but you seem to be excusing them because they’re seemingly more active in foreign markets at present. You mentioned how Manchester United playing in Nigeria doesn’t affect you but Celtic haven’t sent a full strength first-team over to play a pre-season game in Ireland in 5 or 6 years. However, support for Celtic in Ireland remains strong and it goes back to my previous point that Celtic’s Irish links will always attract interest and support.
Celtic run summer soccer camps for kids over here as well, afaik the English clubs don’t (although I’m sure their scouting network doesn’t ignore us) - I find that a bit insidious to be honest, whatever about being clever marketing, which it probably is.
Of course I don’t expect Celtic to reject support from anywhere, and I’m sure most current Celtic fans will pass it onto their kids. I’m not really under any illusions here, don’t worry.
So, because you love Bohs, but like English football too, it’s alright for English clubs to show a bit of skirt over here but you’re openly hostile to Celtic doing likewise? You’ve also come up with some random figures on bandwagon Celtic supporters but when NCC challenged you on them you argued he didn’t have a conclusive basis to argue the point. You can’t have it both ways.
I like Chelsea (passed onto me) - I don’t generally like “English football”, whatever that means. I spend most of my money and holidays on Bohs home and away, and I’m lucky enough to have enough left over for a few trips to England, Spain, and Italy every season. I’ve been to Celtic Park once on a free trip when my cousin was doing the gig with Abbey Travel about 5 years ago. I also drank in the Celtic boozers when over for the Ireland-Scotland friendly 6 years ago.
I actually can have it both ways you see.
But just to confirm, I would be hostile to United and Liverpool aggressively marketing in the Irish market. I’m just not convinced they do it as aggressively as Celtic do at the moment, but if we agree to disagree on that point, rest assured that in theory I don’t have any more of a problem with Celtic than I do with United or Liverpool. There are arsehole United and Liverpool fans, but the Celtic ones annoy me more because they have been brainwashed into thinking they are supporting an Irish club. I haven’t mentioned figures, I’ve just said “loads”. This is obviously personal anecdotal experience, which is why I haven’t mentioned figures or numbers. I’ve also tried to acknowledge that there are also lots of Celtic fans who aren’t under the mistaken impression that they are supporting an Irish team but you seem to be ignoring that. You obviously have a problem accepting the fact that I dislike Celtic’s fake Irish buzz, you are just going to have to accept that I do - but you will also have to believe me that it’s more to do with their arsehole Irish fans than to do with the club themselves, or their Glasgow based fans, of whom I know a few, one of which knows NCC through the Huddleboard United Churches League team I think.
It seems one of the reasons you don’t like Celtic is because you feel they’re a threat to domestic football in Ireland. But to suggest Celtic has a fake Irish buzz is just petty and small man syndrome. Celtic have strong and undeniable links with Ireland. Fair enough, Bohs can’t dream of competing with them but at least be honest about why you dislike them.
Wow this argument never gets old does it.
Everything Sledge has said is apparent to anyone with a set of eyes and ears.