There seems little point in debating with someone who is introducing entirely irrelevant issues to the debate.
Iām not even sure you realise the contradiction between comparing trans rights in Ireland only versus FGM in the whole world.
Unrelated issues. Arbitrary geographical restrictions on what is a valid comparison.
Hang on, you think it doesnāt happen in Ireland?
This is actual human rights abuse in Ireland. Happening now. Says a lot you know more about spoofy trans rights than actual human rights abuse alright. Itās another one of those comfortable easy to make yourself look good causes, because theyāve already got their rights
Tell me, please, what rights donāt trans people have in Ireland now?
Sheās talking about a very specific issue in Australia, where she says most Aboriginees in Aussie prison are there for domestic abuse / child protection. That doesnāt really apply to the original BLM protests in the US. In the US theyāve got the 3 strike rule which has put lots of black people in prison for life for non-violent crimes.
I very clearly didnāt say that. You said FGM āin other parts of the world.ā Iām merely conveying your own parameters back to you.
Completely unrelated issues. Even a simpleton can see that surely.
WHATABOUT!?!?
They are unrelated 100% because one is actual human rights abuse and the other is made up.
Were you aware this was happening in Ireland?
What human rights are denied trans people in Ireland? If itās none, feel free to say it.
Which one is actual abuse of human rights?
What rights are denied trans people?
Yes. Very aware thanks.
You are confusing the law with the actual experience of people. FGM is illegal in Ireland. That doesnāt mean it canāt happen.
There are some limited rights for trans people in Ireland. That doesnāt mean there isnāt widespread discrimination. Gobshites saying itās made up and things like that. There are serious issues about access to medical care and attention. There are very restrictive rights for younger people.
So thereās an answer to your ridiculous question. And finally an admission from you that you compared two incomparable things for no reason at all.
Hozier said āTrans-rights are human rightsā. This was a statement of fact. This simple statement of fact has completely destroyed your day.
Iām fairly sure Hozier does not support FGM, Iām fairly sure heās a feminist who has supported a very wide range of feminist-type issues such as abortion, childline etc. The limit on a tweet is 280 characters so I donāt know how Hozier could be expected to squeeze a reference to FGM into every single tweet he makes.
And he is not āHozier - World Policeā expected to wade into every single internet wrong before he says anything else - like before heās allowed say āTrans-rights are human rightsā he has to fix JK Rowlingās problems and FGM while heās at it.
FUCK WE NEED FOOTBALL
The rights we voted for and everyone celebrated, whatās changed?
There are serious issues around access to medical care in Ireland for everyone.
Does that mean we all have our human rights infringed upon?
Younger people, like how young @Rocko
Also how is it a human rights infringement to have a different belief system than a trans person? If so, they are equally guilty of it, by trying to take away the sexuality of people. People who menstruate. Really.
As I said. Equality, plus extras
Look @Tank, youāre a grand fella but itās impossible talk to you. You half try and be funny and half try and be serious and in a remarkable twist of fate, manage to achieve neither
I didnāt read any of your post but the last line garners a like
Thatās a great line which I will probably steal
Are you entirely incapable of debating without introducing other irrelevancies?
There are specific issues about medical rights for trans people and availability of support for those transitioning is very different depending on what the transition is. But I donāt expect you to know that.
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Younger people, like how young @Rocko
Also how is it a human rights infringement to have a different belief system than a trans person? If so, they are equally guilty of it, by trying to take away the sexuality of people. People who menstruate. Really.
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A different belief system does not equate to discrimination. Also a different belief system doesnāt give people the right to discriminate against others.
But itās clear by now that you havent thought any of this true. In fact that was clear from your first absurd post.
So you think itās ok for trans people to discriminate against everyone else? That isnāt a human rights infringement, but discriminating against a trans person is.
Would you be so kind as to point me in the direction of material on the medical rights issue.
What age are the young people you mentioned before?
Youād have to agree with herā¦if these people really wanna do good go into the communities and get involved to make a difference. The only bone of contention Iād like to pick is that the violence being felt in the aboriginal community has to be put in a racist frame and generations of white influence have ripped their society apart and their men have no purpose, no meaning and no futureā¦ It canāt be a coincidence that itās the exact same in native American communities.
I donāt think they are exactly comparable thereās still huge tracts of land where aboriginal communities can live relatively free from white influence,not at all like reserves in the states, but you raise a deeper issue about lifeās purpose given capitalism or European society is alien to many communities especially a traditionally hunter gatherer one like aborigines. Is the notion they had no purpose and meaning is through a western spectrum? I think thatās specific to native societies although thereās plenty of first nations thriving in the US and Canada, so too broad a stroke from you there.
Alright lads. Thatās enough of that
Itās boomeranging back to where we started.
The three strike rule doesnāt just jail blacks though overpolicing does add to their numbers incarcerated. The point sheās making which applies to the BLM movement is two fold. Firstly the virtue signallers and the state are nowhere to be seen when people are trying to break free from the cycles of despair. Secondly the communities themselves have to admit thereās huge issues and that they need help addressing them. Thereās insane issues with domestic violence in aboriginal communities. Thereās an insane level of absentee fatherās in the American black community. 75% of black familyās are single parent. Whereās the guidance and structure for young black men to show them right from wrong, to make them feel protected,for them to emulate. Not at home so they get it often in gangs instead. But when itās raised,as Obama did, there isnāt much follow on as even being seen to question that scares media and politicians that they might be considered racist, and public perception is far more important than actual solutions for harm as has been seen recently.