I personally wouldnât get rid of any book.
Also, I personally wouldnât just dismiss the offense felt by people upon reading/having it read to them quite so easily.
Children shouldnât be distressed in the English Junior Cert syllabus
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Ah right, so you got nothing.
Fair enough, thats all you had to say. Carry on with your whataboutery so. Iâll leave you to it.
if you could do that in future as well thanks, that would be great. You useless cunt
You need to relax, youâre starting to spin off again over the past few days. Go easy.
thanks for your concern. Youâre a good lad.
Again, I didnât dismiss it. I just think the message outweighs it.
So youâd ban no book but no child should be âdistressedâ in the Junior Cert syllabus. Thatâs a contradiction
Sit there and listen to this. Itâll do you good kind of thing is it?
Banning a book is different to taking it off a childrens learning syllabus. Are 14/15 year olds mature enough to broach the subject?
So itâs âI donât like that book, ban itâ instead?
No one is saying to ban the book mate. Itâs on a childrens learning syllabus. The question is should it be removed from it, as quite evidently it is causing problems for some people
I donât know. For the last 20odd years they have been
giggling at the use of a word isnât great is it. Not all kids will obviously but they are kids at an awkward age and the class room demographics have changed in the last 20 years too.
Itâs not as simple as is being made out here.
No itâs not.
Did you use words as a 15yr old that you regretted? Did you giggle in class when a swear word was mentioned? Thatâll happen regardless. Iâd argue a good teacher could use that and the subject matter in the book as a powerful message against racism and explain why the use of the word is no longer acceptable Obviously I say that as a white man. Maybe Iâm completely wrong.
I donât doubt your intentions here but I think what youâre advocating here is another step on a runaway train of censorship and cancel culture that has infested western society. Art can only be of itâs own time. Good art challenges people, makes them uncomfortable.
thereâs a time and a place to challenge people. broaching the subject of racism in an English syllabus for kids may not be it is all iâm saying. An English teacher isnât best placed to deal with it. I certainly wouldnât like to have to deal with it.
Those kids giggling at the N word are the exact people that we have to educate. We donât need to educate the black kids about racism, they mostly know it all already. For me TKAMB is a very effective tool for teaching white kids about racism. The experience/opinion of the white posters on here is obviously very relevant to judging that.
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Where do lads stand on playing music in a public space, like a gym, where a song contains the N word.
Acceptable.
Edgy.
Up to black member to raise it.
No way.
just dismissing the distress felt by kids at being subjected to the giggling and hiding behind the cancel culture thing or saying âthis is actually good for youâ isnât good enough.
what does it teach you? Life is shit if youâre black but Atticus Finch will try and help you?
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The majority of the white people in the book are portrayed as the villains, while Atticus is the âheroâ
Othello too with constant racial undertones about a bird going off with Moor/dark skinned North African.
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exactly itâs a story about a white perspective of racism at the time. The black characters are largely victims and secondary. It shines a light on the racial prejudices of the time and itâs certainly a great piece of literature that everyone should read, but having it on the junior cert syllabus when it is causing distress to minorities is a discussion that needs to be had.
Lord help these kids when they get to the history syllabus
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