https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOCSRLmcZVg
Interesting to see the continued lack of comment on this from the resident antisemitism watcher of TFK.
The anti semitic santa there was flailing around hopelessly.
Fake, manufactured news, like “Traingate”.
Right-wing politics is an international joke.
Now all they have left is fakery like this.
Meanwhile, there’s a genuine massive anti-semitism problem among the right and you ignore that?
Why?
Is it because you’re an actual anti-semite who has made light of genuine anti-semitism?
It is, isn’t it?
The new member of the royal family, Enda Kenny.
A surprised looking Enda Kenny takes to the stage with Prince Harry and Meghan
Bod will be seething
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I just saw the founder of Momentum admitting that the Labour Party have a bigger issue with anti semitism than any other party in Britain. He also admitted that they got it wrong months ago about the scale of the problem.
Fair play to him for that.
You could learn a thing or two.
I am not going to suggest that millions of Labour voters are anti semites over the behaviour of some of the Party they vote for. That’s exactly what you did with Trump voters as there was some incidents of graffiti and tweets.
My favourite thing about this is that your response to the accusations of anti semitism thrown at Corbyn will be that attacking Israel is not antisemitic. You tried to use the same thing again Trump voters until you were called out.
As always with you, the problem is you go for whatever narrative your left wing Twitter heroes go for before understanding anything substantively.
He didn’t say that, Tim. Did you see Channel 4 News last night? I bet you didn’t. Lansmann specifically said he was not saying that.
And you still don’t even know what it is you’re actually complaining about here, as you’re so clearly unfamiliar with the issue, merely parroting the party line.
Cue a furious round of googling on your part to dredge up something on Corbyn.
Do you have a problem with the 40 different Jewish groups who have a problem with the IHRA definition of anti-semitism? Are they anti-semitic? Labour accepts the IHRA definition of anti-semitism, by the way. Labour is actually serious about tackling racism and anti-semitism.
The right, including the Tories, is not.
Anybody with half a brain, which you unfortunately lack, can see what’s going on here.
Not just the right-wing, who you expect this sort of baseless smearing nonsense from, but huge elements within the parliamentary Labour party, decided when Corbyn was elected that he must be stopped at any cost.
The easiest way to do that is to smear him as an anti-semite based on his support for the Palestinian cause. Then, if you even question that somebody is an anti-semite, that’s apparently anti-semitism too.
A perfect double bind. And a specacularly pathetic and dishonest one. This manufactured smear campaign is from the same place as “Traingate”.
And what a coincidence that all this comes just as Labour have moved ahead in the polls again, with one recent poll putting them five points ahead.
There’s a real blind spot on your part, here.
The sort of politics you go in for is the politics of vilification.
Pretty much the whole of the Tory party and the US Republicans, bith of whom you support, and their associated media, has a problem with Islamophobia. They have a problem with vilification of immigrants. Most of them try to do it in subtle form, but that Islamophobia and racist dog whistling is unmistakably there.
Britain’s growing racism problem is driven by your sort of politics, not mine.
I’ve never heard you utter one word against any of that, in fact the whole modus operandi of both you and the other tired, cliched right-wing nitters here is based on the politics of vilification.
You laughed when Nazi slogans and graffiti were daubed on walls in the US and you still support a US president who said that people on a Nazi demonstration were “very fine people”.I can imagine you laughing to yourself when he said that, thinking, “oh, he’s such a great WUM, I just love him!”
Even in that last post, you still deny outright that there is a massive racism and anti-semitism problem among Trump’s support. You deny there’s any sort of problem.
Your sort of politics has a genuine, widespread racism and anti-semitism problem, not mine.
You’re in denial.
Also, on numerous occasions you’ve banged on about “free speech”. “Conservative” politics is obsessed with the notion. It’s seems strange that you and other “conservatives” are so concerned with clamping down on all this supposed anti-semitism in the Labour party, when you don’t seem to give a toss about Trump supporters or other right wingers engaging in racial or anti-semitic vilification.
A kind reading of your stance on both free speech and anti-semitism would be to say that you’re “confused”.
A more realistic reading would be to say that you don’t actually give a toss about either issue and are merely desperate to find anything that will smear Corbyn and Labour, and if you can’t you’ve no problem with manufacturing it.
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What’s wrong with not liking Jews? Do we have to like them or something?
Timmy Rees-Moggins might want to have a read of this.
Christ, the barefaced hypocrisy of it all.
I just posted a link where he said just that.
Crikey.
A load of waffle there over nothing from you as usual.
In 2012, Corbyn described Raed Salah as a “very honoured citizen” and “a voice that needs to be heard” - after he’d been charged with inciting racism against Jewish people.
Corbyn has also repeatedly defended Stephen Sizer, a man who claims that 9 11 was a Zionist conspiracy.
I never laughed at nazi graffiti being daubed on walls. I laughter at you for you describing Trump as an antisemite, when his own daughter was Jewish and herself and her husband were key members of his inner circle. I laughed at you bringing up millions of antisemitic tweets you claimed were from Trump voters. You didn’t bother your hole to check if those antisemitic tweets had pro Palestinian/anti Israeli sentiment included, when they did, as that didn’t suit you.
I don’t actually think Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite. But his own party admit that there’s a problem in the party. A Labour Party councilor recently resigned over antisemitic tweets. I just imagine if we replaced the Labour Party with the Republican Party name on the above and what we would see from you on a daily basis posting on it.
Quite clearly given the above, you have no actual principles on this.
You are a political bot for the Democratic Party and Labour Party, when you have no investment in those countries and haven’t been to one. You don’t get paid for it. You have no principles over the topic as shown above. At least join Sinn Féin and get paid for being a Shinnerbot if you want to just shill for parties for some return in life.
I am happy to criticize any incidents of antisemitism in the Tory Party or whoever.
Here’s what you said.
He didn’t say that. Go to 12:02 on your own link.
I watched it live, so I knew straight away you were talking bollocks.
Zzzzzz.
You don’t even know what you’re complaining about. I think in reality it’s Labour leading the polls that you’re complaining about.
Meanwhile, you continue to be a Duncan Castles-style apologist for the politics of vilification, racism, anti-semitism and all.
Your vapidity is stunning.
@Sidney doesn’t think the Jews should have a homeland. It goes against his principals and rather than stating that outright he will deflect around it.
A decent article by Freedland, a rare enterprise. Labour are looking to re-define anti semitism to suit themselves and they are been called out on it. Quelle surprise the Jew & Israel haters aren’t enjoying it.
Wrong.
6:37.
“We acres too quickly and indecisively, the problem was bigger than we anticipated”
“I deeply regret that we have to deal with far more cases of antisemitism than anyone else”
He goes on to say there’s problems elsewhere, which is absolutely fair.
He is quite humble there and I admire him for it despite me not agreeing with a lot of his politics.
You on the other hand are still playing the fanboi and we all know you’d be all over this if the shoe was on the other foot.
The thing about Sidney is that regardless of whether you think that being anti Zionist is antisemitic, he has tried to use evidence in the past against “Trump supporters” of tweets criticising Israel as evidence of same.
Because he didn’t read what he was posting and just linked it from some Twitter account (I’d guess Shaun King).
He has so scruples whatsoever in doing that. It’s understandable to lie and mislead in a way when you have genuine investment in a country or even are being paid for it, but he gets neither. It’s just plain weird in his case.
Whats all this mularkey about redefining anti-semetism and the Labour party? Is it all to do with criticism of Israel or does it go deeper than that?
It really doesn’t actually.
Frankly nothing could be much worse than the current Tory Government right now.
And as you well know, I would have generally supported them in the past. I also didn’t think Corbyn had a chance in the last election. Happy to admit I was wrong, maybe learn a little humility yourself.
What I would say on Corbyn and the polls is that I believe Labour would he much further ahead without him there. I’d include John McDonnell there as leader as well so this isn’t just a “socialist thing”. I don’t think he is a good leader and luck has played an incredible role in keeping him there, but he’s there and fair play for that.
I’m not sure what my “principals” would say. I had four - two were from Kerry, one was from Galway, the other from Louth, and I’m not of much of a mind to ask them given that it’s 20 years since I last saw the most recent of them.
I don’t see any solution to the problem other than a one state federal solution along the lines of Bosnia Herzegovina where there are different autonomous zones.
Of course there’s absolutely no chance of that happening because Israel has never negotiated in good faith.
What do you propose, given that you seem to be an expert on the subject?
Tricky one for you, as a self-professed supporter of an actual anti-semite.
You left out the words “…which has adopted the IHRA definition.”
Selectively quoting part of a sentence in order to deliberately leave out the context is dishonest quoting.
The Tories never even adopted the IHRA definition.
Again, here’s what you said.
At 12:02. Lansmann responds to Guru-Murthy’s statement that “you’ve admitted yourself that you’ve more problems with anti-semitism than any other mainstream party in Britain”.
“I have not said that, I haven’t said we’ve got more problems.”
He goes on to say:
“The evidence actually shows that members and supporters of other parties there are proportionately greater… there are more instances of anti-semitism”.
That categorically proves you wrong.
And so does the evidence, which does indeed show that Labour supporters are less likely to be anti-semitic, than Tory supporters, who were found to be even more likely to be anti-semitic than UKIP supporters!
Now, this whole story has been relentlessly pushed by the Tory press ever since Corbyn became Labour leader, and again, we can all guess why that is. No reference to anti-semitism as a societal problem, only reference to it as a Labour problem. It’s the same with yourself.
You don’t see anti-semitism as a societal problem, as you’ve proved since Trump’s election. You only see it as an opportunity to try and vilify Corbyn and Labour.
The Tories made no reference to anti-semitism whatsoever in their party code of conduct until one week ago, after Channel 4 had embarrassed them by revealing such.
Under Corbyn, Labour have dramatically ramped up intolerance of anti-semitism.
So it’s actually Labour who are taking anti-semitism more seriously than the Tories.
Which party has the problem again?