I might be wring here but it seems to me that the average tan is in no way as informed/interested in politics as Paddy is over here. They tend to just vote someone in and let them.get on with it
Its only when lads get caught wearing fishnet tights in soho or in this case when things get so fucked up that it hits them right in the nose that they get interested
Does Boris not have huge support among the general public though? A vox pop on BBC yesterday had all these aul ones hoping for him to come back
Itâs over.
Sunak will be PM by Monday evening.
Pity really. Another stint of Boris would have shortened the run in to Christmas
Youâd be generally right but the past year I think more people have become interested as their actions are now having a direct link to peoples lives. That would be my experience anyway. Weâd never chat politics at work but definitely over the last year thereâs been more and more chat. Thereâs a general strike coming in the next 6 months which will be interesting to see how the papers frame it. The whole place seems completely fucked.
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Is there any action Rishi could take now though to correct the damage?
Energy bills will rise.
Can be take action to soften mortgage increases?
So bad that a hedge fund guy is to be shoed in as leader instead of the other guy.
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Its the equivalent of bringing in the liquidators.
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@Declan_Moffat has a far more intelligent and informed outlook on these things than I do. He also reads the mood better. I think and hope his response is correct.
Actually I know someone who worked with rishi back in the day who said he is a genuinely nice person. I think heâll be as good at wielding the shitty stick as anyone.
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Trussâs chaotic final 24 hours mirrored Cowenâs farcical downfall
LIZ TRUSS AND KWASI KWARTENG IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS FOLLOWING LAST MONTHâS DISASTROUS MINI-BUDGET. INSET: YESTERDAYâS DAILY STAR LETTUCE FRONT PAGE. PHOTOGRAPH: PA WIRE
Tories could meet same dismal fate as Fianna FĂĄil and the Greens did in 2011
The last 24 hours of British prime minister Liz Trussâs chaotic 44 days in Downing Street called to mind the manner in which former taoiseach Brian Cowenâs shaky coalition was dismantled in early 2011.
Cowen had decided that he would carry out a root-and-branch reshuffle of his government in an effort to inject energy and fresh thinking in advance of what was already going to be a difficult election.
He sacked six of his long-standing ministers and replaced them with younger and less experienced TDs. The Greens, Fianna FĂĄilâs coalition partners, revolted and the reshuffle descended into farce. Six ministers had resigned but Cowen was unable to replace them. Instead, the few ministers he had left had to take on multiple portfolios; it was unedifying.
âYou are running out on to the pitch with only half a team,â taunted Michael Noonan of Fine Gael.
In the chaos, the DĂĄil was suspended and a large group of Fianna FĂĄil TDs â led by the late Brian Lenihan â huddled around the doors of the chamber trying to make sense of what had just happened and desperately trying to regroup. The coalition had no choice but to call a general election in which both parties were destroyed.
To Irish observers, the week in Westminster has echoes of that downfall. And the Tories could meet the same dismal fate as Fianna FĂĄil and the Greens in 2011.
Trussâs shambolic period as prime minister lasted six weeks, making her the shortest-lived holder of that office in history. She lasted a week longer in the job than her erstwhile chancellor of the exchequer Kwasi Kwarteng. To compound her misfortune, Truss was outlasted by a lettuce with a blonde wig set up by the Daily Star as a useful comparator once it became clear that the prime ministerâs days were likely numbered.
At another time, perhaps Seneca might have been chosen for her political epitaph: âThis life that has been granted to us rushes by so speedily that we find life at an end just when we are getting ready to live.â
But Trussâs pathetic premiership will be remembered as a sad comedy, best summed up by former Russian president Dmitry Medvedevâs cruel tweet: âBye bye Liz Truss. Congrats to lettuce.â
The events of this week have probably been the most chaotic in modern British politics. On Wednesday afternoon, Truss was beleaguered but still standing. She was seen as having done enough â barely enough â at prime ministerâs questions to just hang on to power for now. âIâm a fighter, not a quitter,â she declared defiantly.
Scrum
Within 24 hours she would be reduced to the status of quitter. Over the course of an extraordinary Wednesday, what was left of Trussâs premiership unravelled spectacularly.
As she attempted to enact some of her agenda, her MPs were told they would lose the whip if they did not oppose a Labour motion against fracking, notwithstanding the fact that the partyâs own 2019 manifesto â the last on which it was elected â held a similar position.
It all quickly descended into a scrum. Conservative whips cast the motion as a confidence vote in the government, issuing a three-line whip with mandatory attendance. In a confusing turn, the minister in charge of climate then went into the dispatch box and said it was not a confidence vote.
The voting lobby outside the chamber became something like the tunnel at Croke Park at half-time of an All-Ireland final. There was pushing and jostling and claims that the Tory whips were bullying and harassing their members to vote for the government and not to cross the lobby.
Then rumours started to circulate that chief whip Wendy Morton and her deputy had both stepped down. Soon after both MPs refuted that rumour. A backbencher, Charles Walker, described the scenes in a television interview as an âabsolute disgraceâ.
âAll those people that put Liz Truss in No 10, I hope it was worth it,â he said, before adding that he had had enough of âtalentless peopleâ.
Here in Westminster yesterday, 24 hours after Truss stepped down, the atmosphere has calmed a little. Few MPs were around the parliamentary estate and it was relatively quiet at the media stands on the green across the way. The respite is only temporary. For unlike this summerâs leadership contest, which took many weeks, the race to find the successor to Truss could be done and dusted by Monday.
Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 committee, was one of the party grandees who went to Truss on Thursday morning to say the game was up. Within an hour Brady was setting out the rules of the contest. Each candidate will need to have 100 nominations. That high threshold will mean that a maximum of three candidates will be in a position to stand and itâs more likely to be two.
If there is only one candidate, he or she will become the leader on Monday. If there are three candidates, the first ballot will be held on Monday to boil it down to two and the result will be known at 6pm. If two candidates stand (or are left after the preliminary ballot) it will mean the vote will have to go to the membership of the party, who will vote online.
In the summer, the membership reversed the result of the ballot of MPs which heavily backed former chancellor of the exchequer Rishi Sunak. Senior figures in the party want to avoid a repeat of the membership electing a leader who was unable for the job and accelerated its downward spiral in the polls
Dallas
Sunak has been installed as favourite, but nobody is calling it a foregone conclusion. There is leader of the House Penny Mordaunt, who reached the final three last time round, and Suella Braverman, briefly home secretary under Truss before her resignation earlier this week, might throw her hat in the ring as a representative of the right.
In a plot twist that seems as plausible as Bobby Ewing coming back from the dead in Dallas many years ago, another contender has entered the fray. Just months after being deposed, Boris Johnson is back (or almost back, he was flying home yesterday from a holiday in the Caribbean). Johnson is a divisive figure within his party and still faces a parliamentary inquiry into whether or not he misled parliament over parties held in 10 Downing Street.
Foreign office minister Jesse Norman said yesterday that choosing Johnson would be an âabsolutely catastrophic decisionâ. On the other hand, Jacob Rees-Mogg launched a pro-Johnson Boris or Bust campaign. Blogger Guido Fawkes is keeping a spreadsheet of support and has Sunak ahead with 61 declared MPs, Johnson with 41 and Mordaunt with 18. Itâs early days though. The right-wing European Research Group is meeting on Monday to decide on who it will back. Its verdict will be critical.
That said, if the vox pops on radio and TV are anything to go by, there remains a lot of support for Johnson among the public. If the contest went to a vote of the membership next week, could he forge an improbable comeback?
Closer to home, there is another vital issue that is not being even mentioned in London. If Stormont is not up and running by the end of October, the consequence will be fresh Assembly elections in the North.
With constitutional matters in Westminster to attend to, any meaningful negotiations on restoring powersharing, or resolving differences over the Northern Ireland protocol, will once again be long-fingered. Itâs unlikely the new Tory leader, to be announced next Friday at the latest, will put those issues high on his or her priority lis
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Youâd imagine Boris numbers will begin to rocket up once he recovers from his jet lag. It was clearly a ploy from the member from Altrincham and Sale West in creating such a rapid deadline knowing fine well Boris was on his holibobs the other side of the planet
That tells you the state they are in. It comes from Johnson fucking out a load of the more moderate and good MPs in 2018/19. The Tories are now full of mental right wingers and newer MPs like Gullis who are fucking idiots. Starmer isnât the magic antidote but once in , thereâs enough decent Labour MPs who can steady the ship. The Tories are a basket case and really need to split into two separate parties but that wonât happen
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Boris has just touched down at Gatwick
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Boris has just landed in Gatwick, there is an air of excitement that you can taste
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PR voting is needed to represent the country and defenestrate the ERG
Some suggesting that Boris has the grassroots support.
Fucking hell.
Heâll have a core following. Most Tory members are white , male, wealthy and over 60. They love him. Likewise on the other side , a lot of working class people like him because they see him as âa man of the people.â Heâs cultivated a good brand to be fair to the cunt.
That wonât happen anytime soon. Theyâd a vote on AV ten years ago which failed. I agree that PR is the way forward but it doesnât benefit the Tories and Labour seem to be against it.
No it wouldnât. Itâs just boring at this stage.