Uk affairs, The Double Lizzie Crisis (Part 1)

[anon98850436]

@The_Most_Infamous

What was the point of fighting to be a Republic - not a dig at yourself, but honestly we’ve signed away our sovereignty to an undemocratic 1% in Brussels since we joined them in the 70’s and it’s getting worse by the year.

26 county people and government did what you say. Your FF party were in power for most of that time and those referenda but you still support them blindly.

9/11 changed everything when it came to armed conflict. Irish America would not back anymore fighting and Ireland need them.

This argument is about Brexit not about our own issues with Europe.

Do you want Donegal people stopped twice by border and customs control on the way to Dublin?

If that’s scaremongering fine, I don’t know, who knows, but if the North is not part of Europe there will be changes. We turned our backs on them once, I won’t do it now.

Go on now

[Matty_Hislop]

[myboyblue]

Job done alright.

[balbec]

@The_Most_Infamous

What I’d like to see is our elected government have the power to control our own finances without having to sign it off in Brussels before our TDs have the chance to look at it.

Eh, we tried that mate. And we made a balls of it.

[myboyblue]

@balbec

@The_Most_Infamous

What I’d like to see is our elected government have the power to control our own finances without having to sign it off in Brussels before our TDs have the chance to look at it.

Eh, we tried that mate. And we made a balls of it.

Exactly, his beloved Fianna Fáil if I’m not mistaken.

[Tim_Riggins]

Isn’t @The_Most_Infamous a staunch FF man as well?

[balbec]

We gotta have the pharmaceuticals.

[Rocko]

@flattythehurdler

The guardian has form here though. As do the others. Pretending the guardian doesn’t is simply being obtuse. The guardian is often laughable. It is regularly passed off as a counterbalance to the telegraph, but the telegraph has, along with the New York Times, the highest number of boots on the ground foreign journalists, is happy to criticise all parties, is actually not all that right wing, and has the best cryptic crossword as it is the same setter every day (like the IT).

I haven’t criticised the Telegraph at all. More power to them and their boots on the ground journalists.

For what it’s worth I think the Guardian is a shadow of the paper it was 10-20 years ago but this isn’t an issue of point and counterpoint. There isn’t a media outlet in Britain who didn’t report on the political angle of the attack.

The Spectator had a particularly scathing comment piece on the Leave campaign (since redacted slightly in the version below).
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/a-day-of-infamy/

[flattythehurdler]

We don’t disagree at all.
Point being that if everyone just bought their foreign news off Reuters or some such, as most do, it could become a dangerous state of affairs.

[flattythehurdler]

It has actually been suggested that a close brexit may result in a trawl through the small print for any excuse, and a rerun. What wankers like junker, Lagarde, Obama et al need to realise is that the more they open their traps and stick their beak in, the more the average middle class UK voter is likely to vote out.

[gilgamboa]

Who do you trust in this country to manage a situation where we revert to our own currency? Based on what we have seen over the last decade do you think it is likely it would be managed successfully?

You would also need to develop an immediate and fully funded support plan for rural Ireland which would be decimated by removing access to CAP funds, which would be immediate id say. It would wipe out thousands of small farmers.

I wouldn’t have a massive issue with being out of Euro or EU on principle basis but the logistics of it need significance thought. And ain’t gonna be subsidised by US or UK for leaving. Long term it might work out well but id say the country would be in rag order long before the benefits be reaped

[mickee321]

@Blake

Jesus, what a disgusting tragedy. It’s reprehensible that an elected public representative be murdered in cold blood over a policy position.

agreed
Farage has blood on his hands now
this will screw the leave campaign

[artfoley]

This a lot more to do with cuts to mental health services and cops running around trying to prosecute dead nonces than it has to do with brexit

[flattythehurdler]

Hardly farage fault, whatever you think of him.

[Thumper]

I’d happily cede control to the EU on matters of finance.

A few years after a financial meltdown, and the government is off pandering to financial simpletons again. We’re about to get rid of Irish Water ffs.

[Smark]

Watching sky news here, the reverand did a nice mass in her honour and described her as a “five foot bundle of Yorkshire grit.”

She lived on a barge apparently down by the canal.

[Tassotti]

she was the quintessential Yorkshire rose

In London, she lived on a barge on the Thames, I see Neil Kinnock break down crying earlier, when he was talking about her, she must have been an unreal woman

[Tassotti]

This Mair chap has been linked to Sinn Fein/IRA and neo nazi’s, he was buying books on how to make guns and bombs off them

[The_Most_Infamous]

We wouldn’t have the pharmaceuticals, google, the IFSC and the FDI’s if we made them pay corporation tax mate.

Nothing to do with being in the EU, sure the EU want to harmonise taxation across the union which would lead to most of the above fucking off imo.

I’m not saying either that our 2% effective corporation tax is right, but I don’t see a better alternative.

[The_Most_Infamous]

That’s a good post, I’m no expert on rural Ireland, but haven’t most small farmers more or less been wiped out already?

The EU in its current guise only suits the Germans.