Any chance you could make a post that actually means anything?
It’s just that, like certain other posters you’re coming across as a bit of a lightweight here because you don’t seem to have anything except trolling in your armour
You’ve reverted to denial again.
If Blair or a version of Blair were leader, Labour would have won handy.
Labour had Brown and Milband in 2010 and 2015.
They got 29% and 30% of the vote.
Hillary Clinton was a “centrist”. She lost (even though she got more votes).
Until you come to terms with the environment in which modern politics happens - ie. an all out war by the right against anybody who stands in its way, you;ll never understand modern politics.
The dead giveaway of somebody who hasn’t a clue is to think they can suddenly turn the clock back to 1997.
Clueless doesn’t even begin to describe it.
How would you suggest somebody goes about defeating Vladimir Putin democratically?
Shoot him? Russia is effectively a dictatorship, not that dissimilar to China.
After the 2008/2009 financial crash whoever was in power was going to be ejected, incubants always lose in a recession. Miliband was a very weak leader.
Hillary lost because she was as unpopular as Trump (quite the feat) and insulted the electorate in the key states she needed to win. A bit like Momentum calling the electorate who voted for Brexit racists and still expecting them to vote Labour (or telling moderate labour members to fuck off and join the tories - many did).
Yes, politics is war and increasingly a dirty war, but no point running in an election is you are not willing to wage war. I wouldn’t give Corbyn the time of day in the pub, let alone follow him into battle.
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So Putin can only be got rid of by being shot. And yet up to recently you were asking incredulously what people’s problem with Russia was.
QED.
No. Clinton mainly lost because Comey stuck his oar in where he shouldn’t have done 10 days before the election.
As well as having to face a sustained smear campaign similar to that Corbyn faced, which in the end was proved to be all bullshit.
Politics these days is a war in which the right has utterly destroyed the concept of objective truth. And that model comes from Russia, the very place where you said Putin could only be got rid of by being shot. Before that it came from 1930s Europe.
And as soon as anybody opposed to the far right or tasked with scrutiny of them makes the tensiest weensiest mistake, they’re destroyed by the right, who themselves have zero standards.
That’s what the US and UK has now. And the next Labour leader, regardless of who they are and where they stand politically, will have that too.
Maybe four years later, you’re beginning to wake up to reality?!
Here comes Trump
It takes some Orwellian imagination to believe that the Today programme or BBC News is in any way biased against the Tories
But that’s what destroying reality is all about
Perpetual victimhood, Tory style
You’re still in denial. The basic problem yourself and the Shop street busker have is you are so wedded to ideology you can never accept being wrong. The British public are telling you why they rejected Labour and you simply cannot accept it, as you know better. You don’t, the ones with the votes rejected Corbyn, it’s as simple as that.
Obama was absolutely vilified by Republicans and the right wing media during his first term and yet he was re-elected in a landslide. Why? Because he was trusted by the electorate and preferred to the alternative as leader.
This also puts to rest your silly notion that electability is not important. It is vitally important, Obama highly electable, as was Blair, Hillary proved to be a negative on the electability front and Corbyn an absolute disaster. Again, any decent centrist would have won that election for Labour.
The big mistake yourself and Laz make is assuming what working people care about, neither of you have a notion. Working people care about jobs and job opportunites first and foremost. Corbyn’s message to them was “here’s a bunch of free stuff”, with no vision (that people understood at least) for how to grow the economy (the only way to pay for more free stuff) and provide opportunities to working people.
The harsh reality for today’s Labour is there is an increasing perception among working class voters that the economy does better under conservatives (whether Labour or Tory, or for that matter Democrat or Republican). By far the biggest issue facing Democrats in 2020 is the fact the US economy is doing well, there are plenty job opportunites, and wages are rising especially for lower income workers and minorities. You can bleat about the Anglo-American economic model (whatever that is?) having failed, 3.6% unemployment and rising wages disagree with you.
I know you find this hard to believe but working people care more about that than getting more free stuff, the right of illigal immigranmts to get free stuff, and the rights of parents who want to mutilate their children because they are convinced their boy is a girl.
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We can’t all just reword others thoughts from Twitter as our own.
Jeremy Corbyn is a failure of a leader, you still can’t face up to that.
HE WON THE ARGUMENT
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Brexit won the war alas
You’re just having a RANT Tim. Where’s your argument blah blah a hundred long posts blah. I was right Tim, I supported Corbyn and he’s right and I’m right and you’re all wrong because I posted a seat prediction. And a hundred more long posts blah. And massive long post about right-wing conspiracy. And blah. And blah …
What exactly am I in denial about?
I didn’t ask for a stupid rant, you gave one to me anyway.
Do you not accept that mainstream right-wing politics in the UK and US has lost the argument, in every way - that’s why it has turned to far right politics - why it has turned to whipping up racism, all out war on its enemies including smearing and threats to imprison them, and creating a fact-free alternative world as was done by fascists in the 1930s, and by Russia now?
These are extremely basic truths, and if you can’t accept them, you’ve lost the right to be taken seriously on politics - not that you ever were - because you refuse to the accept the basic truths about it how it operates in the 2010s.
That isn’t an argument
For somebody who likes to style themselves as an “intelligent” poster, you sure do come across as somebody with the mental age of a child in playschool
Blah blah blah
Three words that sum up your posting style perfectly
Clever
With himself maybe.
When have I styled myself as that?
I made a point, you brought up some previous Labour elections and % won for a moral victory.
It’s a bit like winning the second half by a point but still getting fucking hammered.
It’s like getting hammered in the second half by a point less than you did in the first mate.
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Actually that’s a better way of putting it flatty