US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

Oooft.

The Republicans and big business are seething.

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Great news. Spoofers like labane will be seething. His beloved Trump will be tweeting at 3am.

How’s KC labane?

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Great news. Spoofers like labane will be seething. His beloved Trump will be tweeting at 3am.[/quote]

I would say, like your fellow idiot @Sidney, you know as much about the DALP issue as my dog.

I stand with the proud Sioux Nation pal, in opposing this encroachment onto their property. If sid or yourself knew anything about the history involved, you would know it was the Pick-Sloan Act of FDR’s New Deal which granted the US government power over the Missouri river basin, breaking the treaties in place with the Sioux Nation. The land involved legally belongs to the Sioux Nation and was illegally seized by Democrats.

The entire DALP project has occurred during Obama’s two terms in office, and has been supported by Republican and Democratic politicians at the federal and state level. There was plenty of time for Obama to side with the Sioux, instead of (like the useless coward he is) waiting until he was a lame duck.

[quote=“maroonandpink, post:72, topic:10941, full:true”]
How’s KC labane? [/quote]

Look in the mirror and ask him pal.

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14 posts were split to a new topic: An extraordinarily boring discussion about where cars are made

10,800 Dax :tada: :boom:

The world stock market loves President Trump :+1:

Chapo Guzman extradited to the US.

You have to hand it to President Obama - still getting things done even on his last day.

Golden Shower Boy will probably send him back.

Our armchair pro on all things us politics, bless d’aul internet.

Paul Ryan doesn’t seem to know how insurance works

:grinning:

I always thought he was a reasonably intelligent chap, if a bit lacking in the human decency department, but he’s making some cunt of himself thanks to Trump.

Devin Nunes, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, confirms that he has seen intelligence reports that indicate Trump and his transition team were targeted for surveillance after the November election. Has just visited the White House to inform the president, and categorized the intelligence reports as disturbing. Also stated that the intelligence agencies were asked to provide all relevant reports to Congress but have yet to do so.

The Deep State is being unmasked, scenes.

The story is here with actual quotes from Nunes

Trump team ‘incidentally monitored’ after election - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39358363

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The most interesting comment from Nunes, which isn’t in the BBC report, is that “The NSA are cooperating, but so far the FBI has not told us whether or not they will respond to our March 15 letter” (asking them to hand over intelligence reports). This after Comey testified to congress there was no surveillance of Trump. Nunes also confirmed the surveillance was not related to Russia.
It’s all getting very interesting.

Mr. Nunes really has made an awful fool of himself here.

Already seen as a shill for Trump, he’s just gone and confirmed that view spectacularly.

He’s also:
i) Undermined the other members of the House Intelligence Committee by not telling them his “information” and instead going to the press.
ii) Destroyed any credibility he had as chairman of that committee by doing same.
iii) Undermined the credibility of the committee as a whole as an independent investigate tool.

His performance in front of the media was utter car crash stuff, reminiscent of Trump himself. He couldn’t get his story straight, kept giving contradictory answers, and really didn’t seem to have a clue what he was alleging, even admitting that everything he is alleging, whatever that is, was lawful. And whatever it is he’s alleging, nothing whatsoever in it backed up Trump’s idiotic tweets about Obama placing a “wire tapp” on him.

Like with Trump’s utterly demolished tweets about the supposed Obama “wire tapp”, there can only be two possibilities.

i) That he is revealing classified information, as any information he’s talking about that may or may not exist can only be obtained under a FISA warrant.
ii) That he’s talking bollocks.

Neither are good for him.

Also, by going to share his “information” with Trump before his intelligence committee, he’s both told Trump what the House Intelligence Committee knows, and things he hasn’t even shared with the committee he chairs.

Imagine a prosecution barrister going to a defendant in a case and telling them what the prosecution knows, and things the rest of the prosecution team doesn’t even know, so as the defendant can get their story straight.

Mind-boggling incompetence that even Fianna Fail would blush at. Incompetence is being kind.

Then this came out.

Shortly after this came out:

But it’s alright, Spicey says Manafort only had a “minor role” in Trump’s campaign.

Campaign Chairman being a “minor role”, apparently.

Before signing up with Donald Trump, former campaign manager Paul Manafort secretly worked for a Russian billionaire with a plan to “greatly benefit the Putin Government,” The Associated Press has learned. The White House attempted to brush the report aside Wednesday, but it quickly raised fresh alarms in Congress about Russian links to Trump associates.

Manafort proposed in a confidential strategy plan as early as June 2005 that he would influence politics, business dealings and news coverage inside the United States, Europe and former Soviet republics to benefit President Vladimir Putin’s government, even as U.S.-Russia relations under Republican President George W. Bush grew worse.

Manafort pitched the plans to aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, a close Putin ally with whom Manafort eventually signed a $10 million annual contract beginning in 2006, according to interviews with several people familiar with payments to Manafort and business records obtained by the AP. Manafort and Deripaska maintained a business relationship until at least 2009, according to one person familiar with the work.

“We are now of the belief that this model can greatly benefit the Putin Government if employed at the correct levels with the appropriate commitment to success,” Manafort wrote in the 2005 memo to Deripaska. The effort, Manafort wrote, “will be offering a great service that can re-focus, both internally and externally, the policies of the Putin government.”

Honk if you’ve got tiny hands!

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Fascinating battle going on within the GOP on the proposed Health Care bill. The Freedom Causus (Tea Party) has been making noise all week and have the votes to defeat it, but the compromises offered to them are now pissing off moderate Republicans. The proposed bill is now not much better than the ACA existing bill, in terms of controlling spiraling health care costs. As always, politicians run away from reality and kick the can down the road. The cost of healthcare is the problem, 37% of overall government spending is on Medicare and Medicaid, rising at 10% per year. In five years, spending will be $2T a year, adding at least $1T more to the annual deficit, with debt already above $20T.

Of the $1.4 trillion spend by these programs, more than a third is treating obese people with diabetes type II and other obesity related conditions. The health care industry is a complete scam in the US, charging what they like, as essentially they have a monopoly and an endless source of funding (the government). A good start in controlling health care costs would be to only offer one form of treatment to the obese, a diet. Diabetes type II and most other obesity related diseases can be reversed fairly quickly by stopping filling your pie hole with junk. The same for junkies who wear out their heart valves and need $200K cardiac surgery, what exactly is the point when statistics say they all remain junkies and die quickly anyway?

My prediction. Republicans will not reach an agreement and Obamacare will remain the law. Five years to an insolvent USA.

Nunes to hold another press conference tomorrow on Trump surveillance.

Quite possible on the first part, unlikely on the rest. Running a ridiculous deficit is nothing new.

I understand countries have higher debt to GDP, specifically the PIIGS and Japan, but they don’t have the escalating health care cost issue the US has. One small example. In Japan I can walk in off the street and get an MRI for the equivalent of $200. That, because of competition. In the US it is $5000. Personally I could fly to Narita airport, take the train into Tokyo, and have an MRI and then do it four more times to get to the cost here.

but what are the real alternatives, do you agree with the idea of universal healthcare? Bubba and JT are never gonna be persuaded to put down the twinkies