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Kamala Harris is not part of the loony fringe. She is talking a tactical decision on calling for impeachment that keeps her in the spotlight and does no harm to her chances. However she has zero influence over impeachment as that can only be initiated by the House. The loony fringe are Democrat members of the House who are openly defying Pelosi’s leadership.

What you are missing is that literally nobody cares about impeachment, it’s now a non issue for voters. Pursuing it when 80% of the electorate are opposed is political suicide. Not to even mention the fact that it would fail and hand Trump yet another win.

You idealism is twee but doesn’t win elections.

None of that is relevant.

You’re avoiding the issue.

Did you really think that was a shambles? I watched most of it and for the most part Democrats asked questions highlighting aspects of Trump’s alleged wrongdoing while the Republicans pretty much just made speeches attacking Mueller.

Politicians who listen to their electorate get elected. Whether they deliver what the electorate wants is another question, but focusing on what the electorate doesn’t want is the path to defeat.

Leftists never learn this lesson.

Kamala Harris wants impeachment.

You called those who want impeachment “the loony fringe”.

Therefore you are calling Harris “the loony fringe”.

This couldn’t be simpler, yet you can’t seem to grasp it.

This is a classic example of what happens to you when you try and defend stupid positions at all costs.

You end up looking liking a moron.

More Democrats want impeachment hearings than do not.

I’ve asked you a series of questions in recent posts and you haven’t answered any.

I’ll ask you this one again.

It was a complete shambles and the worst possible outcome for Democrats. The hope was Mueller would be a strong voice condemning Trump, the reality is he came across as not even being familiar with his own report. He clearly didn’t want to be there.

@anon7035031 has been on here for the last three years trying to defend ludicrous positions he took in 2016.

He’ll try anything to make himself look good.

The Republicans are a total joke who are only interested in kleptocracy and in protecting criminality and corruption.

Any sane person who followed the hearing would take an opinion something similar to your post above.

@anon7035031 runs stright to Fox News and parrots whatever he sees there.

He has no ability to understand actual political issues, and no ability to comprehend right and wrong.

Nope, you still don’t get nuance.

Pelosi does not want to pursue impeachment, at least at this time. She is in tune with 80% of the electorate, Democrats need Independent voters in 2020 not just Democratic voters. Pelosi knows they risk losing the House if they go against the electorate. Not a risk worth taking when you can continue to investigate and keep the pressure on Trump.

What anyone running for president, not just Kamala Harris, is irrelevant. They are positioning to win the nomination.

Most Democrats agree with me though. Every Democrat I have spoken to thinks yesterday was a shambles.

I actually live in the US and talk to Democrats, unlike you who follows fellow nutters on Twitter.

Your problem is I get nuance very well indeed, whereas you don’t - you neither understand nuance nor very simple things, as you showed above.

Again, you’ve completely avoided dealing with any of my points.

What’s obvious is that you don’t think criminality and corruption - impeachable offences - should be punished.

You openly tolerate criminality and corruption in politics.

That goes for Pelosi too.

And tolerating criminality and corruption is a really, really bad way to win votes with the Democratic base.

You, predictably, think it’s a good way.

But they actually don’t, and the polls show that. Only 18% of Democrats are against impeachment according to the latest polls.

But this isn’t a polling matter.

This is about right and wrong and whether open criminality and corruption in politics should be tolerated.

You think it should - that couldn’t be clearer.

I’ve read some stupid things in my time on this forum, but this takes the biscuit.

Positioning to win the nomination means positioning to win the presidency.

Your idea of politics is that it should be just a children’s game, where you say anything that you think will win votes, and change the things you say day to day, based on how you think it will play with the public.

Basically, you are the last person who should be commenting on any political matters here because actual issues are totally irrelevant to you - you have no real beliefs or principles on anything bar glorifying white people, demonising ethnic or religious minorities, and the ludicrous notion of “American exceptionalism”- the whole thing to you is no more than a trolling game.

Your so called “support” for Kamala Harris is utterly ludicrous - her positions on pretty much every issue are a million miles away from yours.

You’re a Republican mouthpiece and that’s all you ever have been.

I honestly don’t know why I waste my time with you. You think the US is a homogeneous country, and what works in one state or district works in all.

The question asked was 1) impeach now, 2) don’t impeach or 3) no opinion. 39% of Democrats call for impeach now, not even a majority. 51% of Independents say don’t impeach. You need virtually all Democrats on your side (Republicans are at 85% don’t impeach, 3% impeach), and a majority of Independents to win elections in the swing states, can you do the math?

Why are only 39% of Democrats calling for impeachment?

You keep stating criminality as if it were a fact, and your opinion actually means anything (it doesn’t).

Here are the facts:

Mueller found no evidence of conspiracy with Russians. You hung your hat on the conspiracy theory for 2.5 years. You were wrong, once again. On obstruction, Mueller could not determine if a crime had been committed, yet you are certain a crime was committed. Just like you believe Paddy Jackson committed rape, before any evidence was heard, and still believe he is guilty after he was found not guilty.

If you don’t mind I’ll listen to the opinions of someone who has a grasp of reality and the legal system.

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You certainly waste my time, but the main person whose time you’re wasting is yourself, because you’re such a thundering plank.

Em, if you’d read back over what was written in the last hour or so, you’ll see that it’s yourself who has that opinion, not me.

The hilarious thing is that you’ve just actually admitted you do think the EU is homogenous on another thread.

I said above that more Democrats are in favour of impeachment than are against it.

That is true and you’ve done nothing to dispute that.

So what on earth is the above paragraph about?

Do you even know, yourself?

Three years ago you stated criminality against Hillary Clinton with zero evidence.

Now, when the evidence is there, you totally dismiss it.

Here are the facts.

Mueller worked on the basis that he could not prosecute, a fact whch you again deny above.

That is why the report is a referral to impeach, and then once out of office, to convict and imprison.

Here are some facts, actual relevant facts, unlike aany you’ve posted in the last four years.

The Trump campaign met with Russians with a view to obtaining dirt on Clinton.

Trump himself asked Russia to release the e-mails. Later that day, they did so.

Trump appealed for Russia to intervene in the election, and welcomed Russian interference.

Trump himself refused to co-operate with the Mueller inquiry.

Trump’s AG deliberately lied about the contents of the report, at the request of Trump.

Trump has a long history of corruption and criminality and involvement with the Russian mafia.

Trump appointed key staffers with links to Russian criminality, and his staff lied and obstructed over and over and over again.

Trump consistently and openly attempted to obstruct justice.

You’ve proved over and over again that you outright support all of that.

You’re a shameless propagandist for white supremacism, corruption and criminality who hasn’t once in four years stepped outsideyour Fox News echo chamber and I should have stopped responding to you a long time ago.

It’s plain to see to anybody with a functioning brain that Trump is a Russian asset - but you don’t have a functioning brain in any reasonable sense of the term.

These below are facts. In any functioning democracy, they would result in impeachment, removal from office, and imprisonment.

But the US is not a functioning democracy. The Democrats have played their part in that, but that is dwarfed exponentially by the absolute affront to humanity that is the Republican party.

The misogynism you threw in there for kicks was just the rotten cherry on yet another a rancid cake of a post of yours.

Finished smearing Christine Blasey Ford yet, are you?

You should stop then, take the higher ground.

You would probably be doing the gentleman a favor.

You’re right.

Epstein was found unconscious in his cell this morning after a “suicide” attempt

Now who knows, maybe it was a genuine attempt

But there are a hell of a lot of people who would like Epstein to be dead

And chief among them is Trump

Trump idolises Putin, who simply kills those who oppose him or are inconvenient to him

So there are legitimate reasons to be suspicious about this

Last word, for now.

There was nothing stopping Mueller stating a crime had been committed. The fact he couldn’t indict a sitting president is neither here nor there, he could have laid our the facts and said these are crimes but I can’t indict. He didn’t though, on Russia he said no evidence of a crime, and on obstruction he said we could not determine if there was crime. The equivalent, if you want one, is Comey saying “no prosecutor would take this case” in the case of HRC.

Roughly 60% of voters are not in favor of impeachment, 20% for impeachment and 20% don’t give a toss. Yet you believe impeachment is the right decision, now. As I said that’s why leftists never win elections as they are hopelessly out of touch.

The fact you think evidence exists to prove a crime is completely irrelevant. A prosecutor has to decide that and Mueller decided he could not determine if there was a crime.

You are correct that it is now in the hands of Congress. Democrats in the House will decide if impeachment is a politically sound decision, not a nutcase in Galway shouting at his screen.

That’s enough of my time wasted for one day. Have at it.

Putin tried to hang Epstein?