Tim seems to be trying to say that it’s not as bad for local arms of the state to murder people as it is for federal arms of the state to murder people. Tim lived in Chicago so he knows this and you wouldn’t understand.
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Can everyone please clarify how long they have lived in the states before they make any further points in relation to this matter?
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He was on a J1 once.He knows the states well.
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I know a guy who is a cop in Chicago. Went to southside Paddy’s parade with all his cop buddies one year. I’ve seen him turn full racist, a guy I’d have had good time before.
I actually think it is systemic. He wasn’t racist before he became a cop. He certainly is now. However, he said he had a black kid as young as 8 point a weapon at him. His life is in danger every night they go southside.
So I don’t agree with his racism but can see how he’s gotten there. They’re the enemy in his eyes; not the people he serves
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I’ve been to Chicago twice on trips, so I feel fully qualified to discuss the fundamental causes of black on black gang violence there
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How long were these trips 
Few slow learners here.
The stats on Southside Chicago are frightening. And they are as a result of the City and State politicians failing, over and over. The people living comfortably don’t really care, but will pay lip service and vote accordingly at the ballot box. This is a far larger issue but there are not protests about it.
The first point is very important. If you are going criticise institutions, get it right. There are differences all over there and there are police forces with far greater issues than others. If you want meaningful reform of them, then you have to target the right areas.
I’m an American citizen pal.
Lads like @glasagusban are angry that we can’t just distill this down to shouting racists. I mean his anecdote about a couple finding it bizarre that a white would go to the Civil Rights museum was glossed over entirely on here.
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Again not to be pedantic but you’re using the example of a single fella there.
There’s a myriad of shit going on I’d imagine. I’m not trying to justify what this cop did (it certainly appears to be manslaughter at the very least, from what I’ve seen) but it would be interesting to get his take on it. If they are systematically treating black people differently, is it just blatant racism or are they responding because they feel threatened, or in danger in those situations normally?
I was only in Utah for a fortnight last year so I can’t say anything definitive from my experience.
I meant to say TNH on the post at the time actually
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I am clarifying the point @anon7035031 made and that yourself and a couple of others took totally the wrong way.
If the whites just started to go the Civil Rights museum this would all stop though.
It’s a style of policing. Look at the video I posted above where they start shooting up a residential street with paintballs because people are at a front door during a curfew.
America does extreme law and order, mandatory sentencing, police tactics are to use overwhelming force in all situations to neutralize any threat etc
Remember this case of the guy shot in the hotel corridor. Police assume everybody has a gun and will use it.
Nearly as appalling as the original killing has been the over-reaction and outright unlawful violence of cops across the country in response to protests/riots. Some of the footage has been worse than the likes of Hong Kong etc
In many cases they don’t look like a disciplined force - they look like they’re out of control. The culture of police forces in the States seems a huge problem - amped up on wanting to play GI Joe with military grade equipment and of that view that they administer justice as opposed to upholding the law.
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I’m not. Thats actually a point of systemic. He went into the system without an ounce of racism showing. He was vocal about it after being in system. His buddies at the southside parade had the word n1gger rolling off their tongues like it was nothing. Laughing at stories that were horrifying me
I don’t think I stumbled upon a KKK clique in the Chicago police force. I think it’s beyond doubt systemic and part of that system is the circle violence in the streets they’ve to face. Doesn’t excuse their racist position but can someway explain how they got to it.
Excellent point.
You didn’t clarify anything. What you said was gibberish. That you’re an American explains a lot of your nonsense and warped views.
Would the elephant in the room here be that they are amped up and heavily armed because they know they are likely to encounter heavily armed criminals too?
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That’s pretty much the definition of xenophobic there from you.
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Any guard I know hates travellers more than even the average Irish person. They deal with the worst of them every day and I think the vast majority of us here would fully understand why they might be negative towards them and a bit heavy handed when dealing with them. This is the same lived experience as cops in America with black people. Both are wrong but are at least in some way understandable. Painting the cops as simply evil racists isn’t fair really. The easiest way for us to understand it is think of how we view travelers. Someone pointed it out to me before and it made sense to me.
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Think a bit harder.
I’m surprised that you don’t have that critical thinking and nuance after visiting the civil rights museum.