US Presidential Election 2016: Sidney's Victory Lap

Trump the best by far

Also throwing it back to these left wing media types :clap:

Seems to be going particulalrly badly for Jeb(!?)

He is a shadow

Trump and Carson needed to speak to the issues and proposed solutions and both have failed. This debate will be analyzed extensively and both will fare badly under scrutiny. Itā€™s back to the starting line for the Repubs they have no candidate.

Carson is not at all impressive

Bushā€™s non performance is a concern

Trump coming across as his own man.

The moderators appear to have no idea how to chair effective debate

True but a president has to be able to work across the political system and in that respect Trump has less ability than Obama which is not a high bar.
Itā€™s a dreadful debate format.

Very nice comments from Huckabee to support Donald from the anti-trump questioning.

Mike is coming across well.

Rubio easily the most electable of the that lot. Would be a nightmare for Hillary actually if he gets the nomination, and honestly, itā€™s between him and Jeb for the ticket. All the Trump and Carson shit is just early season side show.

Rubio came under a lot of pressure when he was discussing his personal finances, not sure if he would be a suitable candidate

Regarding Trump, he is maintaining his lead and is not going away.

Rubio is 6/4 to be the Republican nominee.

Short enough but I canā€™t see him being beaten for it.

Heā€™ll have a right chance of beating Hillary Clinton too due to the Latino vote in Florida and California.

With Bush having shot himself in the foot, Rubio is pretty much the only electable candidate left. As said above the Hispanic vote will likely decide the election, so he could win. It will as Iā€™ve said before come down to the economy, and my prediction is the economy will be in worse shape in 2016 so Hillary will have a tough time distancing herself from Obama.
The election of Paul Ryan as speaker just now is huge for the Republicans. He is about the only one who can reunify the party and keep the tea party onside. He is a fiscal conservative and socially conservative enough to unify the party. If the Republicans get their act together they could walk the election given the level of anger in the country.

Whoever is speaker will have basically no impact on the outcome. Presidential elections are about the two candidates only. The Republicans walked the mid-term elections in 1994 yet Clinton won easily two years later.

The biggest plus the Republicans have is that there has been eight years of the Democrats in the White House. Thatā€™s just the way it works, thereā€™s a natural tendency with swing voters in swing states to give the other crowd a shot when one party has been in for eight years.

Itā€™ll still come down to the usual swing states in a close election, and itā€™ll still, on the whole, be a mostly pointless exercise.

Where was this latest debate shown? CNN was last one, anyone know which channel had this one?

CNBC I read today. Moderators were terrible seemingly

Normally I would agree with this but one of the big factors this time is how fragmented the Republican base is. Partly due to Boehner who has been incredibly weak as speaker. If they canā€™t get their own vote out then they wouldnā€™t beat Bernie Saunders let alone Hillary. Ryan has a year to get the party unified and has broad support to do so. The importance of this is there is general apathy towards politics in general, so a low turnout is likely, especially from independent voters. While Hillary is the clear favorite now she doesnā€™t generate much excitement, so a united Republican party with a young energetic candidate like Rubio could easily win enough swing states.

Clinton won his second term because the economy was doing well. Sitting presidents get the benefit or the blame depending on the state of the economy, even though they have little control over it (compared to congress). Bush 1 was turfed out in 1992 because the country was in recession. If the economy is doing well or at least muddling along as it is now by late 2016 Hillary should win, if there is a downturn the Republicans should win assuming they get their act together behind an electable candidate.

CNBC is almost as bad as Fox News. Having CNBC moderate a Republican debate is like having Fox moderate a Democratic debate (which wonā€™t happen obviously, but should).

The only thing is that the republicans are so disjointed, will Ryan have the time to bring the party together? Rubio looks like the putative candidate now after yesterday (jesus Jeb!? walked into that one, sad wanker), but what yesterday also showed is that there were 10 candidates in a debate and every one of them looked loike complete morons. The GOP debates have been giant exercises in nothingness and no matter how young, energetic, young, good looking, hispanic Rubio is, apart from silly slogans, they seem to have absolutely nothing in terms of actual policy. This is where Hillary will do well, as she is an impressive speaker, clearly intelligent, highly experienced and she will talk to the issues, rather than just throw three line slogans out there.
Thought this was a very good article by Jeb Lund on the debate yesterday:

ā€œAt best, Kentucky senator Rand Paulā€™s night was a long stretch of silence punctuated only briefly by irrelevancy.ā€ Brilliant.

Remember the goal of the candidates at this point is to survive the debates and get to the primaries. Say the wrong thing and give a negative story for the media to run with, like Bush did, and its red rover. You mentioned all Hillaryā€™s positives and none of her negatives. She can get rattled and testy relatively easily and while we havenā€™t seen that in the softball democratic debates, we will see it against the Republican challenger. Her experience might also work against her, she is associated with the Dems pushing for Health Care reform (she authored the original plan that was rejected) and of all the issues the Des have to deal with, the abomination that is Obamacare is the greatest. The promise was that premiums would reduce and healthcare costs would reduce, the opposite has happened, many people are paying 50% to 100% more now for the same coverage. Its a typical example of something that was sort of working in the private sector and the govt took it over and completely fucked it up. It will be a huge issue in the election. Her Secretary of State experience has a few holes as well, Benghazi and the email issue (even though it has been overblown it was a big lapse in judgment). Rubio is far from the finished article, and lacks experience, but that didnā€™t stop Obama getting elected who had no more experience.

No one likes Hilary except you @Fitzy

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