Eh whereâs your point? Is that not my point but with different words? Is that not plagarism?
I donât remember that Meath match at all but it adds to the theory proposed on the other thread and copperfastens our double promotion this year.
any reports on the challenge match?
I think you miss my point, Appendage. Iâm saying it should be decided on head to head between the three teams and with us potentially beating both we should top the group. My related point is that in a 3 team scenario, although not in this particular case, there can conceivably be a situation where each team has one win out of two, e.g. Wexford beat Dublin, Dublin beat Cork, Cork beat Wexford. Iâm saying in such a case points difference should be the secondary way to separating them but it should first be direct record against the team or teams youâre tied with.
It was largely second string teams and we lost 1-19 to 2-11. Iâll post more on it later when I get a chance.
I still miss your point, your point was implied in my point in the other thread. I donât see why you had to bring me all the way over here to rehash a point that had already been made elsewhere.
Implied? You donât get the point and thatâs now the point.
This was our team tonight:
Dermot Flynn,
Darren Kehoe, Barry Kenny, Lar Prendergast,
Malachy Travers, Eoin Quigley (St Martinâs), Eoin Quigley (Rapparees)
Jim Berry, Mark Molloy,
Darren Nolan, TomĂĄs Waters, Pat Kenny,
Mick Jacob, TomĂĄs Mahon, Paul Morris.
Unseasonably horrible, cold, windy evening and it wasnât very pretty. Eoin Quigley got another 50 minutes on his return from injury and Mick Jacob was fairly lively on his return to the panel.
Mark Fanning came on for Flynn at half time and dropped a line ball at the end that was touched into the net. Colm Farrell, Peter Atkinson and Richie Kehoe came on too.
Pat Kenny got a couple of goals - he finished the first one well after we worked it down the field well and seemed to get a flicked touch on a line ball near the end.
Jacob got a couple of points from play and a free or two also - Berry and Morris had earlier missed some frees.
Richie Hogan got a lot of frees for them and Eoin Guinan got a few points from play.
Appendageâs wife is either away or theyâve had a massive row, heâs never normally allowed this much unsupervised internet time.
Played a leinster league game against Oilgate yesterday in cyclonic conditions in the south east. Impossible to play hurling. Oilgate were fairly average for a senior team. We werenât much better mind you
The senior championship is being phased down from 16 to 12 teams over the next couple of years so Oilgate are one of the teams that will be looking to stave off relegation. Weird place - quite close to the cultural hotbed of Wexford town but full of primitive animals.
Their trainer was saying that theyâd be in and amongst the bottom 8 teams in the Senior championship. Other sources have revealed that the wouldnât be good enough to win an intermediate championship. Reducing the senior championship to 12 teams looks like a good decision based on yesterdays showing
Oylegate/Oilgate/Oylgate would be one of the poorer senior teams alright. Senior since 92, they were a good team when the Reck brothers were at their peak. Had trouble in the last few years replacing them and now itâs all young lads on the team. 3 players were called up to the Wexford panel in the last few years-Mick Heffernan, Blondy OâBrien and Trevor Moulton (Mowlton)-they all done their cruciate then, only Mick recovering somewhat. Cronan Dempsey looked a good player-played 2 years minor with Wexford, a year U21, before shacking of to Americay.
They should have continued their amalgamation with Crossabeg/Ballymurn as it could have produced a stronger team then.
Theyâd be better at the oul football though.
Pikeman mentions amalgamation there and I know NCC was concerned about it in a recent thread when he quoted a piece from Diarmuid Devereaux on teams amalgamating and/or playing in the lower 12-a-side divisions. I actually think clubs are taking the easy option in some cases and that these amalgamated teams should be dispensed with in an awful lot of cases. Take Castletown winning the OâByrne Cup without much fuss there recently and now theyâre amalgamating with Ballygarrett for the championship - thatâs a joke. Some other amalgamated team put 9 goals past Rathnure in minor hurling recently - Adamstown and somebody else. How about they concentrate on working hard and improving the weaker players in their squads rather than taking the easy option and saying we have 8 or 9 good players and weâll go well if we can join up with another club who has similar. Obviously thereâll be some bogger outposts where they donât have enough players but I think thereâs too much of it.
Yeah, Iâd agree with that-every time I look at the league tables at home for underage thereâs some new combination club beating all round them.
Oulart were hoors for it in the past too. Think they amalgamated with Marshalstown in the early 90âs at minor or something, citing the fact that they couldnât get enough players to make a team. Team ended up with 14 Oulart lads and Marshalstownâs star player.
Jim Crowley, legend of the Sars. 
Family man Jim giant at Sarsfields
WEXFORD TOWN will be a sad spot around lunchtime today (Wednesday) as it bids farewell to one of its best-loved sons.
Jim Crowley had special qualities as a family man, sportsman, businessman and, most of all, gentleman. And after battling illness with typical good grace and fortitude, he was called to his final resting place on Sunday night.
A lot of tears were shed as the news spread, because to know Jim Crowley in any capacity was truly a privilege. His warm, endearing smile will never be forgotten, just as his pleasant disposition and helpful nature will be recalled by so many people who were honoured to call him a friend.
His loving family meant the world to him, and they in turn reciprocated and gave him all the support he needed as his sickness took hold.
Jim had a second family too, as he had a lifelong involvement with Sarsfields GAA club and was an inspiration to his fellow members. The unselfish work he put in behind the scenes could never be quantified, and this was far more important to him than the many headlines he received as a talented footballer and administrator.
A son of Jack and Annie (nee OâConnor), Jim was 72-years-old and resided with his life, Liz, at Richmond Drive. They had reared their four children â Carmel, Jackie, Martin and Kevin â in Liam Mellows Park and later lived for many years in Distillery House. As well as his devoted wife, children and inlaws, Jimâs passing is lamented by his grandchildren who filled his latter years with joy.
The original Crowley family home was No. 1, Thomas Street, and it was from there that one of the greatest footballing dynasties the town has ever known emerged. Jack Crowley was born in Crossabeg and raised in Growtown, Taghmon, before moving to Wexford in 1907 to serve his apprenticeship at Keatingâs public house on the Main Street.
The Sarsfields club was founded in November of that year, and Jack was on their firstever championship team which played Ballymore on June 12, 1908. His talents were quickly recognised by the county selectors, and he went on to win four All-Ireland Senior medals in a row with the great Wexford team of 1915 to 1918.
It was no surprise then that, after marrying Annie OâConnor from King Street in 1921, Jackâs sons should follow in his footsteps by performing with distinction on the football field.
Jim was pre-deceased by Martin (âMurksâ), Pete and John (âHoyâ), all of whom represented club and county with considerable distinction, while the late Mick was also a staunch Sarsfields man. The five brothers are survived by their sisters, Annie Cullimore and Eileen Lawlor.
Jim was a teenager when the Sarsfields club was re-formed in 1951, and he went on to serve it with such drive and passion in so many capacities.
First and foremost, he was an extremely talented and versatile footballer, winning his first county title in the Juvenile grade as team captain in 1953 and, again, leading the same group into battle in 1955 when they added Minor honours.
He was a key figure on the Junior championship-winning side of 1959 and reached the pinnacle of his distinguished career in the following decade when Sarsfields secured the Senior titles of 1961 and 1967. Intermediate and Junior âBâ medals were added as a panel member in 1979 and 1982, and Jim came to the rescue on several occasions since then â making several comebacks if numbers were short.
He played with the Wexford Minors in 1954 and 1955, and also lined out at Junior level in 1960. He first graduated to Senior ranks in the National League of 1959 and made 13 appearances in total; with the last coming in Croke Park in 1963 when a Wexford team backboned by Sarsfields players, including his brother, Pete, lost to Meath in the Leinster championship.
Jim lent his considerable expertise to the administrative side of the club long before his playing career ended, serving in numerous capacities. He was Assistant Secretary in 1957, and had two stints as Secretary, from 1958 to 1962, and from 1971 to 1975. He had doubled up as Treasurer in 1959 and returned to that role 20 years later, serving in partnership with the late Jimmy Roche up to 1982.
The following year, the joint Treasurer was much closer to home as Jimâs wife, Liz, became the first-ever female officer of a GAA club in Wexford town. The Crowley team filled that role with distinction in a period of great change for the club, as it took up residency in PĂĄirc Charman.
And after Liz stepped down to concentrate on helping the club behind the scenes, Jim remained on as Treasurer from 1989 to 2003. He was Vice-President from 2005 to 2007 and had been President, along with Eddie Pender, since 2008.
Jimâs talents were recognised both inside and outside the Sarsfields, with the highlight coming in 1987 when he was chosen as the clubman of the year for Co. Wexford in a countrywide scheme. He was recently recognised by the Seana Ghael committee and had received a long service award from the club in 1998.
He served as a selector on numerous championship-winning teams, right up to 2008 when the last county under-age title was annexed by his Under-14 squad. Jim was also a driving force in the development of the clubâs fine facilities, spending countless hours in PĂĄirc Charman to bring ambitious projects to fruition.
He was also a familiar face on Wexfordâs South Main Street for many years where he ran a successful home decorating business, having previously worked with his great friend and Sarsfields colleague, Jimmy Roche, in Cinema Lane.
Jimâs funeral Mass will be celebrated in Bride Street today (Wednesday) at 12 noon, with the cortege leaving his home at Richmond Drive immediately beforehand.
Wexford town has produced its fair share of special people, and Jim Crowley was right up there with the very best of them. Weâll remember him with pride.
Wexford/Laois match report from The Wexford People:
[b]Hurlers step it up
WEXFORD 1-18 LAOIS 1-14[/b]
By ALAN AHERNE In OâMoore Park, Portlaoise
Wednesday April 07 2010
THE WEXFORD Senior hurlers stayed on course for a place in the Allianz League Division 2 final after reacting well to the obvious pressure with a competent win over Laois in OâMoore Park, Portlaoise, on Sunday last.
A victory was required in order to leapfrog the hosts in the table with one round to play, and the Slaneysiders duly delivered even if the performance wasnât of the vintage variety.
Wexfordâs fate is now in their own hands, as they can make sure of a clash with Clare in the decider by defeating Antrim in their last group game in Wexford Park on April 18.
Sundayâs win owed a lot to a superb start to the second-half against the wind when an already healthy interval lead of 1-8 to 0-5 was embellished with four points without reply.
The main down side was the unfortunate injury sustained by Willie Doran in the 16th minute when he fell heavily on his elbow in an innocuous tussle for possession and left the field in obvious discomfort.
A positive did arise from that incident too though as Eoin Quigley was introduced and gradually worked his way into the game and showed that he is on the road to making a full recovery from his long-term knee injury.
Noel Carton was a safe pair of hands between the posts and, as the man in possession of the number one jersey, he is doing more than enough to hold on to it.
The Wexford backs played with the necessary combination of aggression and discipline, with Darren Stamp and Richie Kehoe the stand-out performers.
Colm Farrell crowned an energetic midfield display with four fine points, while his rookie partner, Mark Molloy, covered a lot of ground and showed he is a team player with his unselfish approach.
Up front, it was pleasing to see some of his colleagues step up given the fact that Diarmuid Lyng has had better days. Having said that, the captain still managed to point two sweet line balls and his late dismissal had no impact on the outcome.
After being booked for a trip with five minutes left, he collected a second yellow in added time in an incident involving Michael McEvoy who also entered the notebook. This was spotted by an umpire at the country end, but it was a pity that the man in the white coat and his colleague werenât so vigilant in their chief duty of distinguishing scores from wides.
Twice in the second-half they caused utter confusion with their hesitancy and, indeed, a point was knocked off Wexfordâs tally on the scoreboard some six minutes after a Stephen Banville wide was initially signalled as having gone over the bar.
The visitors knew exactly what was required in this encounter, and from the off they set about laying down a firm marker. Wexford dictated the pace and tempo of the game, in the process showing that a lot of the talk about Laois in the national media was premature.
Still, it did take them some time to get an edge on their rivals with the wind in their favour, as the sides were level three times in the first eleven minutes.
Colm Farrell notched the first and last Wexford scores in that spell, with Andrew Shore also on target while Eoin Costelloe, Willie Hyland and Zane Keenan (line ball) responded for Laois.
The next 22 minutes were very encouraging though as the visitors settled into a smooth groove and hit an impressive 1-5 without reply.
After Rory Jacob restored the lead midway through the half (0-4 to 0-3), a foul on Andrew Shore led to an easy tap-over for Diarmuid Lyng.
There was one scare in the 23rd minute when Paul Roche swept the ball off the line after Neil Foyle got a slight flick on a Zane Keenan centre, while Peter Atkinson nearly capitalised at the other end when Laois netminder Eoin Reilly dropped a Lyng free.
The captainâs first converted line ball extended the lead to double scores (0-6 to 0-3), with Stephen Banville and Colm Farrell adding to the tally before the allimportant goal arrived - Wexfordâs first in over 185 minutes of competitive action.
A Richie Kehoe clearance broke behind Banville and full-back Darren Maher, with Peter Atkinson taking the sliothar at speed and registering his first-ever major in Senior inter-county fare on his 17th appearance (1-8 to 0-3).
Wexford now looked comfortable even though Laois pulled back points from Joe Fitzpatrick and Willie Hyland (free) before the break, but that great start to the new half knocked the wind out of their sails.
Stephen Banville pointed from an impossible angle in the left corner inside 30 seconds, with Diarmuid Lyng (line ball and free) following the good example before Atkinson made it 1-12 to 0-5 less than five minutes in.
Laois remained comfortably at armâs length for a long time thereafter, and there was no great cause for concern when they grabbed six of the next nine points, with Rory Jacob, Banville and Colm Farrell getting the Wexford scores.
The hearts did sink a little alright with ten minutes left when John A. Delaney raced down the middle on a solo run, leaving three men trailing in his wake before handpassing inside to Zane Keenan who doubled first-time to the net (115 to 1-11).
Happily the response was good, with no panic evident as Eoin Quigley first earned a free which Diarmuid Lyng finished before setting up Rory Jacob to stretch the lead to six points.
Laois goalkeeper Eoin Reilly pointed a wind-aided free before a close-in placed ball from Zane Keenan was touched over, and Quigleyâs workrate was rewarded with a late score before Joe Fitzpatrick replied in a game which never really got off the ground.
What about that tard playing for Laois called John A Delaney? It even said John A Delaney in the programme.
Ben Brosnan (returning from suspension), Graeme Molloy (back from injury), David Fogarty (returning from holidays and injury), Adrian Morrissey (returning from honeymoon and injury) and Matty Forde (returning because he is a legend) are all available for Sunday although itâs likely to come too soon for the last two. PJ Banville made his comeback off the bench in Roscommon so things are looking up a bit.
Good stuff.
Apparently Matty is carrying a fair few extra pounds so it may be a while before we see him on the pitch
A bit like Scott Doran back in the day then 