I lost it the time he gave āadvantageā to paudie foley who cleared under wojeus pressure to a Waterford lad. They score of it and he doesnāt give us the free after signalling it. Terrible stuff. Johnny needs to give it up.
Maurice is a fair operator now. He kept them in the game today with the frees and one superb point from play.
The only one making an issue of this is Liam. Youād swear he knew there was something going to happen.
Itās actually gas. What heās essentially saying is that the players arenāt good enough.
Maybe itās true but not a great message to be giving. A couple of sensible changes today and weād have won the game.
Wtf was Jack OāConnor taken off for? Directly involved in 3or 4 of our early scores through intelligent use of the ball. And rewarded with the curly finger.
The desperate ramblings of a man who knows heās goosed
I mentioned it on the general league thread at the outset of the competition but the refereeing of the advantage rule is all over the shop.
My understanding is that once he signals for a free he should go back and award the free if no āadvantageā accrues in the next 5 seconds of play. Is this correct?
The advantage isnāt merely getting to strike the ball. Itās a rugby football style advantage where he judges whether the team with the advantage has actually benefited from the next passage of play (encompassing 5 seconds).
So it wasnāt an advantage for Wexford when Foley shuffled the ball forward 30 yards and Waterford won it. The gormless dope standing there with his hand signalling for the free all the time without ever blowing the whistle. How can he not realise a defending team will want a relieving free rather than the āadvantageā of a hurried clearance under illegal pressure?
As I said, other referees were taking the piss the other way. Iāve seen Diarmuid Kirwan go back and give frees about 15 seconds after a supposed original offence.
It would be madness to sack Liam Dunne after that excellent, battling display today.
Itās time to get behind the squad and manager.
Without having seen a single minute of the game Iām fairly sure it was a playerās playing their way and ignoring management like the KK game in 04.
Dunne needs to go.
They set themselves up very well tactically and chose very good match ups defensively so. Matthew OāHanlonās decision to move himself out of full back worked pretty well in particular.
A Wexford man told me after the game that Dunne would be sacked tomorrow and replaced by some fellow called PJ Doyle.
Perhaps JJ Doyle, the current U21 manger?
That could have been it. He had one of those mangled Wexford accents so it was hard to catch every detail.
I saw one the other night in a club game, fella given advantage for an illegal tackle breaks free of the tackle, shoots and misses. Called back for a free. Now obviously he didnāt get an advantage from it but it doesnāt sit right with me that youād get two chances to score.
I thought Ryan was awful from a Waterford perspective and let Wx away with an awful lot of blackguarding. Interesting to see that Wx took the same view from their side.
On a more general note I think the advantage rule has very little place in hurling. In almost every case the advantage is the free and the free should just be awarded. There are a minuscule amount of cases where an advantage would accrue that would be worth more than the free. There was a classic case near the end yesterday where Wx had an advantage and moved the ball across the middle about 45 yds out. By the time the advantage was over they had the ball in possession on the sideline and drove the ball wide. The original infringement was in the middle of the pitch about 45 yds out and even Wx yesterday would have scored that free.
In time clever teams will work out that except when a goal is on there is no advantage to playing on and will immediately stop playing when they realise they have the advantage
yup, agree with that on the advantage rule. and was going to mention that itās really only when in on goal where the advantage rule needs to be implemented or needed.
With regards to your last point, I was fortunate to get a first hand account of the implementation of the advantage rule shortly after its introduction from an AI final referee, who himself was one who was prone to letting a lot of things go anyway and almost play an advantage in any case. I put it to him about your last point, my question to him was if he shouts advantage, can I just stop and say āno, I want the free pleaseā. And he said to me that yes, you could indeed do that, it would be unusual and most likely would piss off the referee and it would be doubtful you get that sort of benefit again.
Well letās just say itās the last minute of an All Ireland final and its level and you are thirty yards out in front of goal and you are fouled. Youād be nuts to do anything other than stop playing, stick your hand up and say Iāll take the free thanks very much.
In rugby it is very common for a team with advantage to deliberately knock on so that they get the penalty rather than run the risk of losing the advantage and it doesnāt appear to upset the rugby referees.
definitely. And it was why I asked him that question. I used to be a free taker myself, so if I was given the choice of a scoreable free in front of goal or to play on and try keep the ball and take a shot under pressure, Iām taking the free every time. As said, the only time I dont want a free is if there is a very clear chance of a goal on.
Do the players know they have advantage. Does the referee shout advantage or does he just have to do that ambiguous thing with his arms that he could resile from and say the player misinterpreted my actions if he had taken a dislike to him?
tenuous.
AND his team mates would be screaming to play on rather than come back and risk the free.