Seething. It would be nice if @Juhniallio and @TheUlteriorMotive could educate themselves a bit on topics they’re trying to windmill away on.
Juh gave me a long winded answer on my questions there but didn’t really deal with it.
The original point here raised by Ronan Lyons was why we force all teachers to have this standard of Irish. It’s suboptimal all the way round but the lads won’t hear a word against it.
A lot of lads put out that it’s pointed out to them that they’ve decided to send their kids to institutions of segregation.
Ah this is disappointing. After me answering your numbered questions so clearly, youre still ignoring the question. Can you not let us in on the secret of Big G? Those nasty irishwomen. I’d say I’m so close to being in on the conspiracy. A little help from you and i could be swimming in the Gaeilge cash. Enough even to send my kids you had a swing at to a scoil prìobhàideach.
You haven’t addressed this @Tim_Riggins because you have no factual data that shows discrimination. Choice of schools by non Irish is NOT evidence of discrimination in admittance policies.
The interview process on some places precludes foreign born people who may want to go.
The fact that we have a broader system is great and mitigates this discrimination.
But society wise it is not good that one segment are refusing to do the heavy lifting of integration and another are. You described the advantages as not having to mix with riff raff. Interesting that.
The answer was there and yet you repeat the question. I call them the Irish language lobby and have always been clear that it is a number of organisations. The Big Gaeilge thing was from Fagan and you keep talking about one body is your invention .
You haven’t dealt with the questions I asked you, when will you? Or will it be more windmilling about D6W and Masonic schools?
I’m well aware of the enrolment policies. You’ve failed to point out the discrimination over numerous posts. That migrant child has the same opportunity as mine to attend that school, a non gaelige speaking child.
You are making claims about segregation ‘in practice’ as if that’s evidence of discrimination. It’s not, it’s just your bias clouding your judgement.
I can post up and show you the admittance policies if you like? Where they specifically address no discrimination.
I’ll repeat it one last time to you - a foreign born child has the exact opportunity as any Irish born child of attending the GS, outside of the usual siblings, from a gaelige speaking family provisos. The exact same opportunity as my children.
You can’t address this point so you pivot to windmilling and projection.
Deary me, it seems me calling out how you described the student body of regular schools of a more diverse character as “riff raff” has struck a nerve.
The 2018 Act allows for discrimination and specific admissions policies. We can discuss the relative merits of them. I’m sure @Juhniallio would agree that the imposition of a Catholic requirement in many schools in Lucan leading to the Educate Together school becoming the “foreign” school was a problem.
We can discuss the relative merits of each but this is on one very specific part of it. I will happily state that a defecto exclusionary sector that has grown massively in 20 years and that makes up a significant % of school places is a big problem in a country becoming more diverse.
I’ve been accused of hating Irish despite the fact that I said if we are going to force an Irish Language Requirement on our primary school teachers that we may as well just make all schools a form of GS. That and Lyons original statement has been ignored because of my passing comment on how GS are institutions of segregation triggered a few lads.
You seem to be getting slightly emotional about the fact I’ve pulled you up on making incorrect assertions. What you’ve posted isn’t discrimination.
You don’t seem to understand the definition of discrimination - do you want me to send you a dictionary link?
Again, can you please clarify what discrimination a foreign born child has in access to a GS v my non gaelige speaking child? It’s a simple question - try address without windmilling.
It’s easy to pick out the lads here who did ordinary level Irish for the Leaving Cert. He’s probably bitter that he didn’t get to study Péig or whatever was on the Higher level course back in his day.
