I think thereâs enough there to cause at least one resignation. Callinan, Shatter and possibly OâBrien should all go.
OâBrien seems to have been doing his best not to upset people when he should have been shouting this from the roof tops.
Callinan and Shatter had hoped enlisting their chief cheerleaders, Reynolds & Williams that the case would die down, but I canât see the opposition letting this go quietly. There is already government party members calling for action.
[quote=âTreatyStones, post: 904050, member: 1786â]I think thereâs enough there to cause at least one resignation. Callinan, Shatter and possibly OâBrien should all go.
OâBrien seems to have been doing his best not to upset people when he should have been shouting this from the roof tops.
Callinan and Shatter had hoped enlisting their chief cheerleaders, Reynolds & Williams that the case would die down, but I canât see the opposition letting this go quietly. There is already government party members calling for action.[/quote]
Williams fucked up yesterday in his little column trying to absolve the gardai by listing off the gsoc active enquiries at the time, something he wouldnt be privy to
Why are GSOC so keen to âmove onâ as OâBrien put it in his statement today.
If he believes they were bugged, which he obviously does, then he should be calling for heads. Itâs all very strange.
Have Callinan and Shatter really frightened him that much that heâs afraid to stand up for himself and the commission?
Why are GSOC so keen to âmove onâ as OâBrien put it in his statement today.
If he believes they were bugged, which he obviously does, then he should be calling for heads. Itâs all very strange.
Have Callinan and Shatter really frightened him that much that heâs afraid to stand up for himself and the commission?
[quote=âTreatyStones, post: 904271, member: 1786â]Why are GSOC so keen to âmove onâ as OâBrien put it in his statement today.
If he believes they were bugged, which he obviously does, then he should be calling for heads. Itâs all very strange.
Have Callinan and Shatter really frightened him that much that heâs afraid to stand up for himself and the commission?[/quote]
Too late, the genie is out of the bottle. If he had have told shatter to FOAD when the story broke then it would be very different story now
Is there a more odious cunt than shatter in all this?
Yup, callinan
So whatâs likely to come of this? No resginations and another Garda cover up job?
No complete accountability and widespread resignations from people who have brought their offices into disrepute. Weâre in ireland mate what do you think will happen?
I was reading the Sunday World today in my in-laws. (I couldnât find the Sindo). Did you know that an Irish girl has a sex tape up on some Aussie porn site? It was worthy of 2 pages around page 8 or 10 just after a spread on some criminals son whoâs now white collar boxing and before Eddie Rowleys entertainment pages detailing Simon Cowells newborn son.
The front page of the sunday times had a story about an ex army captain who was found guilty of fraud and now works for betfair. The whole pointless story seemed to have been sourced and based on what he put on his linkedin page. All print media in this country is a fucking joke, follow the right twitter accounts and a wealth of real investigate journalism is available, but thats around the world, in ireland, nothing.
Ah in fairness it was right beside one of the best investigative journalism stories in ages (unless of course John Mooney did no investigating and the Verimus report was put on a plate for him).
he has to reveal what the information callinan (named by the sindo, why not the times?) let slip was, otherwise therell be a cover job whereby shatter could allege callinan heard it off another source not in gsoc. And as of yet the extent of what information was collected hasnât been clear, the story seemed reliant on the timing of the slip with emergence the drug importer scandal. That might still just be coincidental? Or could just as easily be a journalist bugging as the guards? There obviously was something going on but its a pity the story didnt come out in full last week, the media jumped too early on shatter and callinan without any evidence and let them defend themselves on that basis, now its almost old news and lacks impact.
Ps the report nearly would have to have been put on a plate for him, in other words leaked by gsoc. Now that thats clear no wonder gsoc are trying to move swiftly on.
[quote=âartfoley, post: 904023, member: 179â]But it looks like shatter mislead the house last week. The committee hearimg during the week should be good crack. Dont forget that shatter still has to answer if gsoc is or was under legal surveillance and if any media or reporters are. The gardai cant find the killer of sophie du plantier or the missing women but callinan can categorically say there was no gardai bugging. Maybe a reporter could ask him about what investigation he undertook. The 2 boys are holed beneath the waterline and in a functioning democracy they would be gone by now. So much for bendas ânew politicsâ
Sunday worst have made a complaint to GSOC after the gardai tried to get phone records of one of their reporters.[/quote]
I reckon he can say with certainty that the GardaĂ didnât carry out this as he knows exactly who did it.
The outside company hired by the forces of state to do it.
He may well be technicaly correct in his answer but to be that certain over something like this he has shown his hand imo. Heâs only a traitor in any case, a mere political pawn and not a proper policeman.
Woman killed in hotel in Tallaght - Gardai are keeping an open mind
Allegations of bugging - Gardai can within 24 hours definitively say there was no bugging
Agree with the above - Sunday Times spreading story over two weeks weakened its impact as the follow up was not as strong as expected
There will be no resignations from this. However somebody may now start digging around as unlikely to be isolated.
The defamation proceedings launched by the Independent journalist who was sacked may also throw up some interesting information about links between media and the GardaĂ.
[quote=âmaroonandwhite, post: 904549, member: 1406â]he has to reveal what the information callinan (named by the sindo, why not the times?) let slip was, otherwise therell be a cover job whereby shatter could allege callinan heard it off another source not in gsoc. And as of yet the extent of what information was collected hasnât been clear, the story seemed reliant on the timing of the slip with emergence the drug importer scandal. That might still just be coincidental? Or could just as easily be a journalist bugging as the guards? There obviously was something going on but its a pity the story didnt come out in full last week, the media jumped too early on shatter and callinan without any evidence and let them defend themselves on that basis, now its almost old news and lacks impact.
Ps the report nearly would have to have been put on a plate for him, in other words leaked by gsoc. Now that thats clear no wonder gsoc are trying to move swiftly on.[/quote]
Iâm not sure that the slower release of the story is beneficial to Shatter or Callinan. The longer the story stays in the news, the worse for them. You always seem to need a second thrust to a story in Ireland to really cause damage. They were given an opportunity to defend themsleves and while Callinan has just been absolutely defiantly denying any knowledge of anything and confirming the story to be untrue (which is incredible but probably his only tactic), Shatter couldnât help himself by getting all preachy and condescending last week and ended up exposing himself as a result.
The fact that GSOC had reason to suspect bugging and then separately had it confirmed that the chances of that not taking place were almost zero means that they shouldnât need to be watertight on both instances individually. Remains to be seen whether Labour will show any real interest here though.
[quote=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 904683, member: 2272â]Woman killed in hotel in Tallaght - Gardai are keeping an open mind
Allegations of bugging - Gardai can within 24 hours definitively say there was no bugging
Agree with the above - Sunday Times spreading story over two weeks weakened its impact as the follow up was not as strong as expected
There will be no resignations from this. However somebody may now start digging around as unlikely to be isolated.
The defamation proceedings launched by the Independent journalist who was sacked may also throw up some interesting information about links between media and the GardaĂ.[/quote]
Your man Roy Greenslade or whatever heâs called had an article in The Guardian on this Gemma OâDoherty story a while back. Interesting stuff but canât dig it out on my phone.
When is the last time anyone resigned over wrong doing in this country? Am I imagining it or did people resign a lot more, when something controversial happened a few years back?
[quote=âRocko, post: 904685, member: 1â]Iâm not sure that the slower release of the story is beneficial to Shatter or Callinan. The longer the story stays in the news, the worse for them. You always seem to need a second thrust to a story in Ireland to really cause damage. They were given an opportunity to defend themsleves and while Callinan has just been absolutely defiantly denying any knowledge of anything and confirming the story to be untrue (which is incredible but probably his only tactic), Shatter couldnât help himself by getting all preachy and condescending last week and ended up exposing himself as a result.
The fact that GSOC had reason to suspect bugging and then separately had it confirmed that the chances of that not taking place were almost zero means that they shouldnât need to be watertight on both instances individually. Remains to be seen whether Labour will show any real interest here though.[/quote]
Shatter always seems to go too far, but if thereâs nothing to link the guards to the bugging except callinans slip up, and there doesnât seem to be, and Callinan knows this then he (callinan) was right to vehemently deny it. Still no answer as to how gsoc got it to the times.
Art Foley dug it out for me in another thread, not one Irish media outlet reported on it.