World Cup 2018/2022 Decision

Sepp Blatter’s main challenger and likely successor is from Qatar. But he has said he is willing to bide his time before taking over. I wonder why.

Hottest average temperatures in Qatar peak at around 41 Celsius in June and July. Of course, that doesn’t reflect what it is really like to be out in the sun in the middle of the day when temperatures can reach or pass 50 degrees Celsius.

It’s also worse in the city, where air-conditioners pump cold air into the houses but hot air into the city.

The towns are also located in the coastal areas, where there is greater humidity. Everyone who can leaves Qatar for the summer.

Pun intended I hope.

Air conditioning the stadium would mean the stadium would have to be enclosed and even at that the cost of air conditoning an open area of that size would be absolutely astronomical

England got 2 votes.

2 votes :unsure:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jesus they really are hated by just about everyone else.
With good reason too I suppose

Who votes? Members of FIFA’s executive committee or something? I’d be honoured to only get two votes from that shower in fairness. Lord knows what sort of grotesque shenanigans Delaney got up to to secure the Europe Cup final from UEFA.

There was an article in The Guardian last week about the Qatar bid which was as bad a puff piece as anything in a Sunday Indo property supplement during the boom. Turns out the journalist got an all-expenses paid trip to Qatar from their bid team.

Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/nov/25/world-cup-2022-qatar-fifa

Found this piece rightly castigating the Guardian for it:

The Guardian Gifts Qatar 2022 World Cup Bid An Easy Ride And Commits Ethics Failby The Gaffer on November 29, 2010 · 60 comments

If you were the Qatar World Cup Bid Committee, how would you generate some last minute favorable publicity before the votes were cast for the 2022 World Cup? One way would be to send journalists of influential newspapers on an all-expenses paid visit to Qatar. And then hope that the articles they write would put the 2022 Qatar World Cup bid in a positive light.

And that’s exactly what the Qatar World Cup Bid Committee did.

On Thursday, The Guardian published an article written by Louise Taylor entitled “Why the heat is on Fifa to give the 2022 World Cup to Qatar.” The headline alone was priceless. Even the Qatar 2022 PR team couldn’t have come up with one as “better” as that. The sub-head “The legacy of a World Cup in Doha would be far more than simply football” was equally a PR dream-come-true.

As for the article itself, it was a puff piece of the highest order. The closest The Guardian got to criticism or negativity is the mentions of the alcohol ban and Israeli passports (and passport stamps) not going down too well in Qatar, but both of these are brushed off with ease by Taylor. In her article, there’s no mention of Qatar’s foreign laborers, who would be responsible for helping to build the stadiums and infrastructure (Qatar’s strict laws regarding foreign laborers have been described by the United States Department of State as akin to modern-day slavery). Nor is there a mention of the discrimination and violence against women in Qatar.

Instead the article lauds Qatar’s “technological wizardry” for designing air-conditioned stadiums (even though the plans were announced last April), as well as touting the “fabulous beach-front hotels, ancient souks, modern shopping malls and the capital’s excellent Museum of Islamic Arts should provide high calibre relaxation.” Taylor goes even suggests that “With a successful tournament serving as a highly effective slap in the face of extremism, Islamic fundamentalists could even be in for some overdue marginalisation,” and then adds:

“It is surely not impossible that greater regional rapprochement could be achieved through impromptu political talking shops convened alongside the football fields of Doha than during countless conventional conferences in Washington, Jerusalem or Sharm el-Sheikh.”

A pipe dream, perhaps? But Taylor also managed to get a few quotes from Sir Alex Ferguson in the article, to add some weight and credibility to the argument why Qatar are deserving of hosting the tournament.

When Guardian Sports Editor Sean Ingle was asked Wednesday whether Taylor’s trip was paid by the Qatar World Cup Bid Committee, Ingle replied:

“She was on a press trip along with several other publications.”

Ingle, instead of answering the question directly, dodged it and implied that if other newspapers were on the same trip, then it was okay if The Guardian was part of the same expense-paid press junket.

Ingle added that I should refer to Guardian Sports Blog Editor Steve Busfield regarding the answer. However, Busfield regurgitated a similar response which neither confirmed or denied whether Louise Taylor’s trip had been paid by the Qatar World Cup Bid Committee or not. He deemed his response a “Full Disclosure” despite the fact that it never disclosed whether Taylor’s trip had been an expense-paid trip or not.

“Louise Taylor was on a press trip to Qatar with several other national newspaper and broadcasting journalists, ahead of the decision for the 2022 World Cup next week. During the trip Louise wrote news stories about the Brazil v Argentina match and on Alex Ferguson (“I’m in no mood for retiring at Manchester United“). She was asked to write a comment piece about her impressions of Qatar.”

The Guardian’s decision to have Taylor write other stories while she was in Qatar didn’t change the fact that her trip’s expenses were paid by Qatar 2022. Just because she wrote other articles while she was there shouldn’t forgive The Guardian‘s poor decision to accept the offer of the expense-paid sojourn in the first place.

Readers of Taylor’s “Why the heat is on Fifa to give the 2022 World Cup to Qatar” article were quick to question The Guardian whether they would confirm or deny that Taylor’s trip had been paid for or not. Even after Busfield shared his poor attempt at a “Full Disclosure,” Guardian readers continued asking the same question over and over: “Was this press trip funded by the Qatari bid? If so, why was there no disclosure on the original article to this effect?”

Finally, almost four hours after Busfield included in his “Full Disclosure” comment, The Guardian Sports Blog Editor finally confirmed that, yes, “The trip was organised and paid for by the Qatar 2022 World Cup bid committee.”

Taylor’s article is a perfect example of why newspapers should never accept free trips from the people they cover. When journalists are sent on an all-expenses-paid trip, it’s human nature for them to feel that they “owe” the organization who sponsored the trip, in this case the 2022 Qatar World Cup Bid Committee, something. It’s why organizations such as the Qatar 2022 World Cup Bid Committee finance these trips because they know it’s the easiest way to garner positive PR. And it’s why some news organizations, such as The New York Times which has a strict business ethics policy, forbid journalists from accepting expense-paid trips.

For a newspaper as highly regarded as The Guardian, it made a critical mistake when deciding to accept the offer of an expense-paid trip to Doha. Not only that, but the newspaper didn’t, at first, reveal in the article that the Qatar World Cup Bid Committee had paid for Taylor’s trip. If it wasn’t for the prodding by The Guardian‘s own readers, it’s possible that the newspaper may never have revealed that the article had been written as a result of an expense-paid trip.

I’m sure it was tempting to send Louise Taylor from 41F in London to Doha, which is 86F this time of the year, but The Guardian should be more open when publishing articles in the future. Full disclosure should be revealed more transparently rather than trying to hide behind it and then burying the information deep on the second page of comments.

In this particular example, the readers of The Guardian are owed an apology. No media organizations are infallible, but it certainly seems that The Guardian made a mistake in this example by not providing a full disclosure with this article. And, it can be argued, by publishing an article that reads more like an advertorial than a journalist’s attempt to write about a topic with a critical eye. We expect more from The Guardian than this. In the world of football journalism, when The Guardian often shines as a leader in its field, it’s a rare mistake from the newspaper. Hopefully they’ll see the error of their ways and not repeat it again.

Yes, 22 of them in all.

How Qatar won 2022 vote
4.59pm:
Qatar beat USA 14-8 in the fourth round of voting, but almost claimed it in the first round.

First round: Australia 1, Japan 3, USA 3, Korea Republic 4, Qatar 11
Second round: Japan 2, Korea 5, USA 5, Qatar 10 votes
Third round: Korea 5, USA 6, Qatar 11
Fourth round: USA 8, Qatar 14
Qatar win

How the 2018 voting went
4.57pm:
First round: England 2, Holland/Belgium 4, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 9
Second round: Holland/Belgium 2, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 13
Russia win

The world cup in Russia might not be bad the more i think of it. What way is the weather like over there in the summer?

I am flaggergasted Qatar got the 2022 world cup. Obviously there were substantial bribes involved. A fella i know from my college days is actually working out there, and supposedly making an absolute bomb…

Again I’ll preface this by pointing out that I’m shit with numbers but by my reckoning, 2 people who voted for Benelux changed their minds after round 1?

FIFA makes the FAI look competent.

presume teams may well located in saudi, bahrain and uae givenb their close proximity to Qutar

Same problems with heat eveywhere in the region. Can’t imagine the England players wanting to locate in Saudi somehow given alcohol is banned there. There is not one valid reason to hold it in Qatar and the decision makes a total mockery of the World Cup.

I presume one of those was Geoff Thompson? That would leave one vote.

apparently someone on sky was saying there is a good chance of brazil losing the 2014 wc. In that scenario either the u.s or england would be parachuted in, as both of those countries could host the wc tomorrow. (maybe he was clutching at straws). whatever about russia i cant believe qater got the 2022 wc… i mean who the fuck is going to go there…

Didn’t see it but I can assure you he was clutching at straws.I would go to both places if Ireland qualified.

its a world cup mate- a lot of countries in the world ban alcohol - it makes sense that every now & again the wishes of our muslim brothers are accomadated

i assume we will have late kick offs in some games because of the heat which suits the televison audience perfectly- that part of the world is stunning- a bold & brilliant decision by FIFA

some posters on this thread are ethnocentric

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apparently someone on sky was saying there is a good chance of brazil losing the 2014 wc. In that scenario either the u.s or england would be parachuted in, as both of those countries could host the wc tomorrow. (maybe he was clutching at straws). [/quote]
That was Gavin Hamilton the editor of World Soccer magazine. Can’t see them take it off Brazil, more chance of them taking off Qatar I’d say if the global economy implodes over the next decade, which it might.

Russia will be good. Russian women are class, the country is as dodgy as fuck. Will have echoes of Mexico in 1986.

Qatar is a joke. But a lot of big construction contracts will be up for discussion, the weight of which undoubtedly swayed the FIFA decision.