World War 2

He prefers a good gorilla war.

:blush::blush:pure pro :blush:

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As Big Ron Atkinson would say, Hitler made a rod for his own back when he invaded the Soviet Union. He was like Cloughie. He was great for a long time obviously but he started making crazy decisions and by the end he didn’t know wot ‘e woz doin’ at all.

Neville Chamberlain had got the dreaded vote of confidence from the board but obviously we all know how that works out. Churchill gave us that new manager bounce you need in a crisis situation.

The French were very disorganised obviously, like Brazil when they capitulated to the Germans in the 2014 World Cup semi-final.

Stalingrad was a proper mid-season six pointer and the Germans came away with nothing. That was obviously the turning point in the entire season. We know hard a place Russia is to go, obviously a very hostile crowd, tough conditions, it’s very difficult for visiting teams.

Obviously America was like a new signing for the Allies when it came into the war. They woz obviously the Eric Cantona 1992/93 for the Brits, French and Soviets in 1942/43.

D-Day was reminiscent of that Manchester United v Sheffield Wednesday game when Steve Bruce headed in two goals.

The Candians and the Aussies and the New Zealanders and them lot, they was like a Brucie Bonus, you know when a team Steve Bruce is managin’ takes points off Man United’s rivals.

Bob Paisley liberating Rome was like the 1984 European Cup final. He went into the lion’s den that day and came away with the Cup.

The Russians comin’ in and rapin’ all the German women reminded me of how my Arsenal team thumped Everton to win the Premier League the time Tony Adams raced through and scored a memorable goal. It put the seal on a great season for us obviously.

The 'hole war was like the Arsenal dressing room in the invincibles season. We woz a league of nations obviously, all the different nationalities, all the different languages obviously and we couldn’t understand each other most of the time but we woz speaking the one language really, it was a great team spirit and that’s what wins you wars innit?

You were born 30 years too late, that sort of thing in the paper would have hooted you a gig on ‘Have I got news for you’ back in the day :man_shrugging:

There was an amazing program on the massacre at Oradour sur Glane on PBS America yesterday. It is the way of PBS to repeat programs so worth keeping an eye out for it. They had an interview with the last of the five survivors who died aged 97 in 2023. He was injured but survived because a number of the victims fell on top of him. 645 of the 650 inhabitants of the village were shot or burned alive that day in the worst outrage on the Western Front. The Germans were savages.

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There’s a very good documentary on Disney/National Geographic about the Einsatzgruppen(apologies for spelling) in general. Hitlers Death Squads I think it is. Different to that one you mention but that particular atrocity figures prominently along with the Das Reich unit. I didn’t realise they left the town the way it was as a memorial.

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It’s the very first scene in The World At War.

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Never watched it I’m ashamed to say…

Fuckin other allies did their share of raping aswell

Great series. Dates from a time (early 70s) when there were loads of survivors to interview. The episode about the Final Solution is extraordinary. Interviews with both camp survivors and SS men.
It’s on U & Yesterday all the time.

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Nothing like on the same scale as the Russians

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I’m a documentary racist in that I swear by the classic British made documentary serieses.

As soon as I hear an American voice narrating something I tend to switch off, metaphorically if not literally, but usually literally.

I twice tried to watch the first episode of the Civil War series made by Ken Burns and the second time I literally fell asleep.

I won’t try a third time.

The Ken Burns Vietnam documentary is fantastic. The Civil War series suffers from a lack of video footage and fellas with dreary voices like Shelby Foote.

In the bit I saw it particularly suffered from the inclusion of a non-historian who relentlessly tried to romanticise the confederates. The first time I watched Episode 1 - all two hours of it, I struggled to the end, but did not proceed to Episode 2.

I decided a few years later to give it another go and decided to start at episoide 1 again, and the southern fella put me to sleep.

Shelby Foote.

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Legend, Run old hare, If I was an old hare id run too.

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Also nothing on what the Russians lost in comparison with the all other allies
Russians won the war
All civilians lost

I wouldn’t argue with that.

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I would.

The Baltic states, Belarusians and Ukrainians bore the brunt of it

For Russia in my post read Soviet Union.

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