1916 rising celebration

[Fagan_ODowd]

@balbec

He had very small hands.

[balbec]

And a Bandagesque forehead

[Fagan_ODowd]

It’s a Wexford thing.

[Mac]

@TheUlteriorMotive

Is there an extra public holiday for the cetenary celebrations?

Only if Siptu represent you

[iron_mike]

@Mac

@TheUlteriorMotive

Is there an extra public holiday for the cetenary celebrations?

Only if Siptu represent you

And you drive a luad

[iron_mike]

Luas even

[Tim_Riggins]

The Rising was a Catholic one. The amount of Protestants involved were few and far between compared to previous ones.

Whilst Connolly was an atheist, the overwhelming majority (just like the population of Southern Ireland) were deeply Roman Catholic.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Fagan_ODowd

I don’t have a huge issue with the banner to be honest and I think it being placed on the old parliament building is apt. I do think the authorities might have conveyed some sense of what they were at before erecting the banner.

I would have no great objection to Redmonds part in the events leading to and after the Rising being remembered. An air of victimhood has developed around Redmonds memory, a sense that he is being excluded from history.

I would prefer that Redmonds role were remembered better. The man who lead his party into a once in a generation stroke of good fortune (holding the balance of power) yet still through his naivety and weakness fumbled the ball on the goal line. It would have been like Tony Gregory agreeing to postpone his deal until the economic crisis had passed. You don’t do that in politics.

Redmond the man who militarised the Southern Irish youth in founding the Volunteers. Redmond the man who sent tens of thousands of young Irish men to their pointless deaths in Europe to further his dream of one day leading a neutered Irish Parliament. In the modern context he’d be called out as a war criminal but instead attention is fixated on the comparably minimal number of deaths in the five day Rising in the capital.

I would actually like to see a proper focus on Redmond, his motives and motivations achievements and shortcomings rather than this vague ghostly figure and the general sense of a man somehow wronged by history.

Even I disagree with your assessment, I can’t fault you for actually dealing with the matter at hand.

It is not as if a statute of these men has been erected in honour of 1916.

1916, even if you are like me and critical of aspects of it, is undeniably the most important event of the last century here. It’s context and how it came to be must be examined.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Watch_The_Break

This is partly true. But it is generally forgotten (or ignored) that it was the Unionists who brought the gun into Irish politics in the 20th century. It was Nationalist Ireland that was pursuing peaceful constitutional politics and change through the ballot box.

The Unionists responded to this constitutional movement by first forming armed militias under the auspices of the viciously sectarian Orange Order. These armed mobs were then legitimised by Carson and Bonar Law, the leader of the Conservative Party no less. After which hundreds of thousands of Unionists pledged to violently oppose the outcome of free elections in the Ulster Covenant, with many signing their names in blood for good measure.

This is the Unionist tradition to which quisling west brit fucks like John Bruton pledge their own allegiance and remember so fondly. They have to gall to then point the finger at Irish Republicans and label them the unconstitutional fanatics who dragged the country into violence. It’s disgusting.

At the end of the day it has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with class for the likes of Bruton. The Unionists were violent colonial bigots, but they were still made up of the merchant and landowning classes. The Republicans were made up of shop workers, tradesmen, and farm labourers. For the west brits it’s an easy choice to make.

Bruton pledges his allegiance to Redmond and Constitutional politics (which you vaunt here). However it is important to note as Fagan does that Redmond helped militarise the Nationalists.

“Irish Nationalists can never be assenting parties to the mutilation of
the Irish nation; Ireland is a unit. It is true that within the bosom of
a nation there is room for diversities of the treatment of government
and of administration, but a unit Ireland is and Ireland must
remain… The two-nation theory is to us an abomination and a
blasphemy.”

It was ultimately the Republicans who though shot the first bullet. They decided that a Republic and anti Britishness was more important than a single Irish state of heart and mind. The failure of the Proclamation is its naiviety in believing the Unionists would accept an Irish republic. This is never addressed by the Rastoolers who prefer to just shout abuse and revisionist at people who don’t automatically lionise the rebels of 1916. This failure of the Proclamation is as damning as the Ulster Covenant. Both tore the Ireland apart.

Back to Bruton, it’s right to question his views, but most prefer to just shout abuse at him.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tim_Riggins

@Watch_The_Break

This is partly true. But it is generally forgotten (or ignored) that it was the Unionists who brought the gun into Irish politics in the 20th century. It was Nationalist Ireland that was pursuing peaceful constitutional politics and change through the ballot box.

The Unionists responded to this constitutional movement by first forming armed militias under the auspices of the viciously sectarian Orange Order. These armed mobs were then legitimised by Carson and Bonar Law, the leader of the Conservative Party no less. After which hundreds of thousands of Unionists pledged to violently oppose the outcome of free elections in the Ulster Covenant, with many signing their names in blood for good measure.

This is the Unionist tradition to which quisling west brit fucks like John Bruton pledge their own allegiance and remember so fondly. They have to gall to then point the finger at Irish Republicans and label them the unconstitutional fanatics who dragged the country into violence. It’s disgusting.

At the end of the day it has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with class for the likes of Bruton. The Unionists were violent colonial bigots, but they were still made up of the merchant and landowning classes. The Republicans were made up of shop workers, tradesmen, and farm labourers. For the west brits it’s an easy choice to make.

Bruton pledges his allegiance to Redmond and Constitutional politics (which you vaunt here). However it is important to note as Fagan does that Redmond helped militarise the Nationalists.

“Irish Nationalists can never be assenting parties to the mutilation of
the Irish nation; Ireland is a unit. It is true that within the bosom of
a nation there is room for diversities of the treatment of government
and of administration, but a unit Ireland is and Ireland must
remain… The two-nation theory is to us an abomination and a
blasphemy.”

It was ultimately the Republicans who though shot the first bullet. They decided that a Republic and anti Britishness was more important than a single Irish state of heart and mind. The failure of the Proclamation is its naiviety in believing the Unionists would accept an Irish republic. This is never addressed by the Rastoolers who prefer to just shout abuse and revisionist at people who don’t automatically lionise the rebels of 1916. This failure of the Proclamation is as damning as the Ulster Covenant. Both tore the Ireland apart.

Back to Bruton, it’s right to question his views, but most prefer to just shout abuse at him.

In the interests of historical correctness I would point out that the first bullets of the era were fired by the British Army on Bachelors Walk the day of the Howth Gun running. 4 people were killed. The comparison with the way the Larne gun running was more or less waved through had a major impact on militarising Southern nationalists.

[Tim_Riggins]

This is overstated. The Irish Volunteers tried to stage a propaganda coup and did it by daylight. Larne was done in the early hours.

The Curragh Mutiny is a much more indicative incident of the overall Army attitude to both sides (not that you can discount the numbers of members of both the Army and UVF).

[Fagan_ODowd]

4 people dead and 38 injured is not overstating it.

[Tassotti]

Grateful piece on the one show now. The British are so honest. Telling it exactly like it was.

[anon61956325]

Did they actually come out and say they don’t like it up em?

[Joe_Player]

Ann Marie Flanagan ‏@amoflano · 36m36 minutes ago

RTE1 @ 9.35 tonight. The Enemy Files presented by Michael Portillo. British Government files of Rising at the time. https://1916.rte.ie/featured-reflecting/the-enemy-files/ …

[cmontofuck]

Nationwide programme on Michael Mallin starting now on RTE1

[myboyblue]

Lads can anyone in the know recommend some bits over the Easter weekend which may be worth going along today? I know there’s the Easter Sunday Parade, but that sounds like a lot of work when kids will be in tow. All suggestions appreciated.

[anon67715551]

There will be a parade from the scene of the Selton Hill ambush to the graveyard in Fenagh @myboyblue. The Selton ambush is available on wiki. Doubtless newly elected TD Martin Kenny will give an oration, although in the past the
hierarchy of SF have fulfilled the duty (McGirl, McGuinness and Pat Rehill among others).

Culuminating in a festive evening in the village where we’re all wearing paid for Easter Lillies, giving out fuck about
Fine Gael and their decimation of rural Ireland.

[myboyblue]

Well that’s a start boxty, thanks, but I was looking for a more Dublin based slant.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

ill be giving an oration at vol alan ryans grave about reigniting the fire in our belly.come along to that mbb