Two different people buried in them
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Ah ya the lads in Ulster wouldn’t have minded.
Nah, Dev’s family are in his as well, including his son who was born in childbirth or close to if memory serves me correctly, who was the first to enter the plot.
They did much more than that for Ireland, stuff that actually improved lives in Ireland.
Different times, Collins wouldn’t have been planning a plot at that stage.
I think one of De Valeras sons was killed in a riding accident in the Phoenix Park and he was the first family member into the grave.
In fairness Collins grave is not the most prominent or ostentatious grave in the cemetery. You have to pass the graves of a number of leading Dublin families before you get to his.
But Dev was planning it for him
Are you sure? Is it not right beside the vistor centre or is that merely a memorial? I didnt say it was the most prominent, merely compared it to Devs.
Agreed, but from a very low base. Ireland was a nation of serfs under British rule. Poorest in Western Europe, majority of people living in slums in the cities or on dirt floors in the country. Highest child mortality rate in Western Europe, highest rates of TB etc. etc. etc.
You seem to be under the impression that we could have democratically improved our lot over time but if you want a template for how we could have expected life to proceed under British occupation have a look at the Catholics in Northern Ireland. The use of force to overthrow these imperialist oppressors was more than justified and necessary.
Now you could reasonably argue that it’d didn’t improve much for the ordinary peasant after independence but that is a completely different argument.
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No you are right. It is beside the visitor centre but you have to walk past three or four rows of graves before you get to it. Bear in mind that the Visitor Centre is a new construction and before its construction the grave in question wouldn’t have been in what was considered either a remarkable or prominent location.
Fair point. Its lovely out there now, they’re really put the push on for this years celebrations, credit to all involved.
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Exactly.
Members of the Oireachtas have been refused by Lisadel Builders to national monument #SaveMooreStreet
1916 ME ARSE WHAT SHITE:rage:
Could you take anything seriously that was written by a chap called Brendan Chair?
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An armchair republican
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A smiley and a like.
Four legs good, two legs bad.
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People would stomach criticism of the rising much more readily if it’s critics didn’t typically hold such sympathetic views of the empire and its various adventures. While of course there are exceptions, when you drill down such views generally come from traditional reactionary law and order values, rather than some firm belief in the constitutional road to change. You get a strong sense of embarrassment in contemporary criticism of the rising. In rebelling we had lost our respectability as loyal subjects of the crown and of the empire. And the rising itself was perpetrated by entirely the wrong sort of people.
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