[quote=“glasagusban, post: 786478, member: 1533”]Cork have been relegated. They are down, what, about 5 starting players of last years team through injury retirement and defection to football? No sign of better players than those coming through. I haven’t seen anything to suggest that they can rip up the form book and get a win over Clare.
What’s the handicap betting? Fancy Clare by more than 5.[/quote]
Close to nine on the panel by this stage.
those limerick u21 sides never beat KK and aside from their last AI win v Galway were excellent at grinding out tight games 2 or 3 of them in ET. This would indicate their key strength was their mentality/togetherness and managerial bond. Twice in that period they beat Clare u21 sides by 1 pt (and the last shot of the game was a clare shot that hit the cross bar) and by 2pts. This would indicate Clare were close to AIs when the reality and expectation was clearly not there and they were not.
The recent Clare u21 side mowed a fancied KK side down last year in an AI final and again in 2009 it was closer but they beat another good kk side (Joyce, Hogan, Colin Fennelly etc) and beaten a Joe Canning Galway side that had won 2 minors in previous 3 years. The manner of their victories are completely different. Also, there is none of the messing that went on wrt drink and Limerick, this might have been a sign of those times but also there is no doubt you simply cant get away with that today.
Finally, the issue of togetherness. Those Limerick u21 players had to break into an established squad and when Keane took up the mgt a huge rift developed and that bond they had was broken.
With Clare, (like Cork in '99) they are moving up en bloc
These Clare players might not get the ultimate success, who knows, but they certainly will not fail for the same reasons limerick did, its utterly different
Out of interest how many of that three in a row Limerick side were dual players? A good number from what I recall would have played football for Limerick at some level
Lucey, Conor Fitzgerald, Geary, O Riordan and Begley all played senior in both codes.
Claremen getting the excuses in early.
But on an honest note, I hope they come good. They are a very skillful bunch and it would be another indication of how good coaching, good structures an hard work can bring you success even with relatively small numbers and clubs.
What excuses ?
Predictions: Dublin 1-21 Wexford 0-16
Wicklow 1-13 Meath 1-12
Good win for Dublin tonight. Bring on the cats.
Will that be on in Portlaoise again?
Another poor match between Dublin and Wexford. Shore can have no complaints about his red card for what was a ridiculous pull. It threatened to boil over into a Nowlan Park 1994-style free for all for a few moments afterwards too and there was a lot of needle throughout the match with a lot of stray hurleys swinging, mostly by Wexford. Richie Kehoe was lucky to escape with a yellow when he caught Keaney in the face from behind. Dublin won it mainly because they denied Wexford space both in the middle and in the Wexford attack but their hurling was not good and some of the striking was awful. Typical Daly hurling, really. A lot of points came from frees. Wexford needed goals in the second half but never looked like getting one apart from one ridiculous incident shortly after half-time when Carton and another defender went for the same ball, a Wexford forward got it and Maguire saved from point blank inside the square. Dublin set up slightly better than last week and got a good bit of joy from balls into the full forward line. Ryan got the goal about half-way through the first half when he finished smartly after getting on the end of a low ball that went through Eoin Moore. McCaffrey and Treacy upped their performances from last week and got a couple of good scores each. Keaney was useful enough in the half-forward line. Overall a real mullocker’s match though and Dublin will do well to get within 15 points of Kilkenny. Wexford were very poor.
I can confirm that Galway named a Dummy team to face Laois.
We have the cunts.
OMG this is getting out of hand.
Estimates of 3 or maybe 4 red cards. For fuck sake Colm how could it be 3 or 4 with the aid of recorded material. Surely if you can’t call it at this point that the ref had fuck all chance of getting it right? I didn’t notice any straight reds in the Offaly KK game either. Parlon was correctly called for the first yellow and was luck enough to escape a second one but neither were red card offences I thought.
I think people need to step away from the panic button for a few minutes and calm the fuck down.
The article conveniently ignores the stabbing incident too.
[quote=“Appendage, post: 788743, member: 11”]http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/red-alert-as-debate-rages-over-small-ball-discipline-29352291.html
OMG this is getting out of hand.
Estimates of 3 or maybe 4 red cards. For fuck sake Colm how could it be 3 or 4 with the aid of recorded material. Surely if you can’t call it at this point that the ref had fuck all chance of getting it right? I didn’t notice any straight reds in the Offaly KK game either. Parlon was correctly called for the first yellow and was luck enough to escape a second one but neither were red card offences I thought.
I think people need to step away from the panic button for a few minutes and calm the fuck down.
The article conveniently ignores the stabbing incident too.[/quote]
What’s worse is that GAA committees allow themselves to be driven by these hysterical media reactions. If there are another couple of games where there are wild pulls, followed by hand wringing in the media, you could see the clowns in Croke Park trying to bring forward a motion where the hurley isn’t allowed to be swung above shoulder height.
They’ll be proposing to remove hurleys from the game altogether if this continues
This might be a reasonable suggestion.
It’s also amusing that you get journos who are terribly interested in GGA and can type without too many mistakes becoming authorities on GGA Football and Hurling. Even though their knowledge of the games is fucking heinous. They often turn up as panel members on programs with big serious heads on them giving it loads about the issue of the day. The killer is that these lads then form the opinion of the masses and in many cases the hierarchy of the GAA.
The hypocricy of the recent outcry is not surprising. There are a couple of T Walsh incidents that were completed ignored in their day due to his profile and status. The strike on Gizzy Lyng and a similar effort on Andrew Smith spring to mind. Although Noel Hickey’s ‘tackle’ on Eoin Brislane in 2003 is the one that amused me most. There wasn’t even a free given.
The refs would be better off to penalise the choke tackle that is prevalent in hurling now. Holding players up from running with straight arms. Perfected by a low profile, mid wanking team. The same team also invented the act of swining violently as you go into a tackle to ensure you can’t be held up. Think Eddie Brennen on Seamus Hickey in 2007. Other teams have copied this and it’s now common place.
[quote=“Appendage, post: 788769, member: 11”]
The refs would be better off to penalise the choke tackle that is prevalent in hurling now. Holding players up from running with straight arms. Perfected by a low profile, mid wanking team. The same team also invented the act of swining violently as you go into a tackle to ensure you can’t be held up. Think Eddie Brennen on Seamus Hickey in 2007. Other teams have copied this and it’s now common place.[/quote]
This wouldn’t have ever developed if the rule against charging were ever implemented. Bonner Maher is lauded far and wide for being “dynamic” when his main trick is winning the ball and then running as hard as he can into the nearest defender, which isn’t allowed. If players are going to be allowed to charge with the ball then their opposition have to be allowed stand their ground. Which means more of these stupid looking hurling rucks.
Yes a good point. There is also a team that specialises on over carrying. It’s impossible to legally defend if a lad can run at you and not play the ball on his long, smooth, hard stick.
Yes, totally agree with Appendage[/USER] and [USER=1533]glasagusban. I’ve been saying myself for years that the legacy of this Kilkenny dynasty will be the ruination of hurling and the crippling of a selection of their players.
Was it against Limerick that Noel Hickeys hamstring went a few years back and he just pulled blatantly across the full forward to stop him. Everyone joked afterwards that it was smart on Noels behalf. If it had happened last Saturday there would have been an outcry.
[quote=“Appendage, post: 788769, member: 11”]This might be a reasonable suggestion.
It’s also amusing that you get journos who are terribly interested in GGA and can type without too many mistakes becoming authorities on GGA Football and Hurling. Even though their knowledge of the games is fucking heinous. They often turn up as panel members on programs with big serious heads on them giving it loads about the issue of the day. The killer is that these lads then form the opinion of the masses and in many cases the hierarchy of the GAA.
The hypocricy of the recent outcry is not surprising. There are a couple of T Walsh incidents that were completed ignored in their day due to his profile and status. The strike on Gizzy Lyng and a similar effort on Andrew Smith spring to mind. Although Noel Hickey’s ‘tackle’ on Eoin Brislane in 2003 is the one that amused me most. There wasn’t even a free given.
The refs would be better off to penalise the choke tackle that is prevalent in hurling now. Holding players up from running with straight arms. Perfected by a low profile, mid wanking team. The same team also invented the act of swining violently as you go into a tackle to ensure you can’t be held up. Think Eddie Brennen on Seamus Hickey in 2007. Other teams have copied this and it’s now common place.[/quote]
Ah, Michael Rice almost losing a finger last year, TJ Reid suffering a broken knee cap last year, Tommy Walsh almost decapitated 2009. How many of the players you name above suffered long term serious injury as a result of a blow by any KK man? I’d say none. But listen we don’t bother moaning about getting a few knocks and scrapes along the way unlike other lads who are going around creaming themselves because of a player on their team wasn’t able for a bit of rough and tumble. That’s the big problem with the game these days.