And Tipp to beat Tyrone…
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I believe it was more value in the bet I was talking about. But yes I did think at home Tipp would win
This is the GAA we’re discussing.
I believe you said they were a better team than Tyrone.
Peter Canavan’s review of the final and team of the year:
No I started the conversation in regards to this so you actually don’t have any choice on the parameters. One team since Cork in the last 25 years have won consecutive football titles. It’s fairly simple.
Dublin are equipped to do it, however hunger is a massive thing.
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I don’t need anybody to tell me the parameters within which I’ll discuss anything, thanks Kev.
Kilkenny have won 11 of 15 All-Irelands so dominance is clearly possible if your structures and preparation are right. That applies equally to football and hurling.
Kerry reached 6 All-Irelands in a row and won four. That’s also dominance, if not to the same extent.
Dublin in reality have been the dominant team since 2011 and due to several reasons, ie. ability to easily coast through to the quarter-finals, their structures, preparation and superior players, Kerry losing players, Donegal fading, dissatisfaction with management in Mayo, a lack of new challengers on the horizon, I don’t see that changing particularly over the rest of this decade.
What may be about to happen is a return to the Dublin/Kerry dominance of the 70s and 80s, with the roles reversed.
That’s very weak.
You do actually when you respond to an initial statement from me.
It’s solely about football. You might as well be talking about Celtic or Barcelona as talk about Killkenny. Football is still more competitive than hurling.
My point is mainly I laugh how every year people get carried away with the winners. Winners who were within a whisker of losing the semi-final.
Nobody defines the parameters of conversation. If you try to, that’s very weak debating.
Kilkenny are very relevant. Hurling in general is clearly more competitive than football, Kevin. There are eight, even at a push nine teams, who are genuinely competitive. In football four counties have stood head and shoulders above everybody else over the past five years and with Donegal and maybe Mayo slipping back with nobody to replace them that could well reduce to two in the near future.
Dublin have far more advantages than Kilkenny, and it’s just stupid to think they can’t dominate.
Nobody with a brain gets carried away with most winners. It was quite obvious that Cork 2010, Dublin 2011, Donegal 2012 and Kerry 2014 would struggle to retain their All-Irelands (although in most of those cases you couldn’t see it). Dublin since 2013 are in a different category altogether.
Sidney, do you think Dublin have regressed this year in terms of squad depth? I know its a mad thing to say after just winning the All Ireland but just looking at the squad depth, it doesn’t seem a deep as previous years. It was the same subs coming on in each game with very few changes. To retain the All Ireland, I think Gavin will need to freshen things up and put some players under pressure for their spot in the starting 15. At the moment the starting 15 is practically set in stone with maybe a change or 2 in Midfield swapping between Bastick, Fenton and MDM. The 6 backs and 6 Forwards change very little if at all unless it is for an injury. If we can unearth a couple of new players in defence and hopefully Mannion, Costelloe and maybe the returning O’Gara will give us more options and more competition next year.
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Ya that’s why they have waltzed to the title.
You are some dope.
Tyrone are back, lads.
2016 will be our year.
Yeah I think it was a weaker bench but there are strong players outside the panel entirely who can add significantly to it. The forwards you’ve mentioned would all be in contention to start. Daly and O’Brien are reasonable options to improve the defence and even someone like Carthy should be pushing through for midfield.
You would imagine Dublin will be stronger squad wise.however the loss of alan brogan if it happened weakens the bench considerably.
Fenton did very well in the end. However as with most lads his height his progress will be steady and may yet still struggle for consistency for a while.
One would imagine Kerry will improve and Tommy Walsh will have more of an affect.
Hard to know with Mayo, serious potential still but can’t seem to get over the line.
Cork, who knows. Plenty talent but certain players a long time on the road. Getting a few of the fringe guys up to speed could make a huge difference.
A few years back Dublin were where Mayo are now, racking up Leinster titles but nearly men when it came to all Ireland finals and semis. Mayo don’t have the same volume of players coming through as Dublin, but you’d have to expect they will make the breakthrough yet.
Ya but they are consistently good at underage and do have a bit of talent.
You are right though. It is not an over night thing
They haven’t waltzed to the title in any year since 2008, mate. Better start watching more.
Definitely, but there are loads of players around the fringes to freshen things up. Fenton for instance had barely been heard of this time last year. Dublin are now in the position where with good management they can oversee a seamless transition of players year on year, Kerry/Kilkenny-style.
One of Gavin’s problems is nearly that there are too many players and some who you really would have expected to come through have fallen by the wayside a bit. Fenton was there from the start of the year and took his chance.
It’s not a good comparison. Dublin significantly changed their team from the one that won Leinster between 2005-2009 before they won the All-Ireland in 2011. Mayo won’t be able to do that with this team.
The Dublin team of the early 90s who eventually fell over the line in '95 are a much more valid comparison to Mayo now.
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