There’s a 21 winning team coming through as well as guys coming back from injury. I think the reason the Dublin team/options looked a bit rigid/short in depth is because Gavin had to implement his tactical change re defence and I expect it was rehearsed with the same bodies over and over. The problem for lads, just outside the first 20, looking to break through is they’re nearly all in college and will be with the college teams for the O’Byrne Cup rather than Dublin and so it’ll be the league by the time they get a chance, if any.
Players u21 playing senior will become more or less non-existent in the competitive counties going forward. The physical development is a 2-3 year gig for most now.
One the one hand you’ve people saying this and on the other hand you’ve people saying that players above 30 playing at the top level of GAA is a thing of the past. I fancy neither assertion is correct.
In the last couple of years we’ve seen a Clare team filled with players who were either under-21 or barely out of the grade win an All-Ireland, and Kerry win an All-Ireland and reach another one with close to half the team over 30.
Again this discussion is about football and who is at the top and players under 21 making the break through. I for one never go on about players lasting over 30 and in fact if anything without stats to hand I would think players are lasting as long if not longer than ever.
Again hurling is entirely relevant because the physical demands are basically the same.
I don’t agree on the under-21 assertion. Ryan McHugh and Diarmuid O’Connor are under-21s who have taken to senior like ducks to water.
In football Dublin had three under-21s in the 2013 All-Ireland winning team. Off the top of my head that’s as many under-21s as any All-ireland winning team has had since Kerry in 1975, with maybe the possible exception of Galway in 1998 or possibly Meath in 1996, however those three Dublin players were all in only their second year out of minor, whereas the Galway and Meath players were in their third year out, I think.
I’d like to see a full list of under-21s who have won senior All-Irelands.
Off the top of my head I can think of:
2013: Jack McCaffrey, Paul Mannion, Ciaran Kilkenny
2012: Paddy McBrearty
2011: James McCarthy
2007: Killian Young
2004: Colm Cooper
2003: Sean Cavanagh
2002: Ronan Clarke
2001: Joe Bergin
1998: Padraig Joyce, Michael Donnellan, Derek Savage?
1996: Trevor Giles, Darren Fay
1995: Jason Sherlock
1983: Joe McNally
1982: Padraig Dunne
I don’t think there were too many under-21s who won senior All-Irelands in the 1980s or for most of the 1990s, certainly less than in the last 10-15 years.
Overall my impression is that the age profile of All-Ireland winning teams hasn’t changed a whole lot over the last 30 years.
Hurling and football have very different physical demands and largely prioritise different energy systems.
You are jumping around doing stupid research to win an argument nobody is having with you.
Carry on. But put away the sherry.
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Sure they have, Kev.
Very different pal. Similarities of pitch dimensions, team numbers etc but very different demands on players.
Of course there is, but you’d have to play to understand that.
utter shite
all the top players are dual players
this basically means they failed at all normal sports but are good at the 2 bog sports, exact same demands
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The physical demands are pretty much the same, mate. The same sprints, similar amounts of endurance levels needed to last the same amount of time on the same pitch, pretty much the same upper body strength needed to take basically the same tackles.
If a player is physically conditioned for football, he’s physically conditioned for hurling and vice versa.
I guess that’s why you don’t understand, Kevin.
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You stupid man.
sid cleaning house
Disagree rating.
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Amusing rating.
I was shocked by the conditioning of stick hurlers in this years championship. When you see fat mullockers like Joe Canning in the running for player of the year you know something is wrong. I’d say Kilkenny’s success is more down to their fitness levels than anything else. The handful of other counties that take this pursuit seriously obviously don’t train very hard.
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trust me mate, i played sigerson, if i took up stick hurling id have no doubt i would have been in the top 5 players in the country
they are basically the same game
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Kevin needs to explain how 8 Tipperary minor players played in both All-Ireland minor finals.
They clearly weren’t physically conditioned for either.
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I heard you were a top, top Sigerson player @TSG.
Father Aloysius told me.