2021 All Ireland Football-Covid is a cod tyrone style

[Biff_Egan]

@BruidheanChaorthainn

I’m glad you accepted it was a weak era Tyrone made hay in. The notion it was a golden era is nonsense. 8 arguably 9 of the 10 biggest Gaelic football counties were below average.

Tyrone won a few soft titles in a weak era and were humbled by the likes of Laois and Meath. They are the Leyton Hewitt or Rory McIlroy of GAA.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

Yes the big boys were particularly weak between 03 and 08 even cork v Kerry in the 09 final.

[Juhniallio]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

No. You’d be wrong and you must be stupid to come to that conclusion.

Ulster teams won 3 of 6 All Irelands 02-07.
Ulster teams won 1 of 4 All Irelands 08-11.
Ulster teams won 1 of 10 All Irelands 12-20.

So in fact Ulster teams were as statistically successful in the weak era as they were in the strong eras. 1 in 4 vs 4 in 15 is more or less the same ratio.

Once again, your arrogance walks you into a hole.

Are you ok mate? Your forte is normally picking out a ‘fact’ and hammering it for hours even if it wasn’t what someone said or meant. In this case however, you have neatly summarised and bold typed the fact that beats your own argument.
Ulster teams won 50% in the ‘strong’* era.
They then won 25% in your next ‘weak’ era. And 10 % in a different subsequent ‘weak’ era.
Ergo… when the championship was at its strongest was when Ulster teams dominated… which was my original point. You continually hold up the noughties as the time when Gaelic football was at it’s best. You usually call this as 02-09 for obvious shoulder-chipped reasons.

[Juhniallio]

He really wont like that. But it’s very true.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Juhniallio

Are you ok mate? Your forte is normally picking out a ‘fact’ and hammering it for hours even if it wasn’t what someone said or meant. In this case however, you have neatly summarised and bold typed the fact that beats your own argument.
Ulster teams won 50% in the ‘strong’* era.
They then won 25% in your next ‘weak’ era. And 10 % in a different subsequent ‘weak’ era.
Ergo… when the championship was at its strongest was when Ulster teams dominated… which was my original point. You continually hold up the noughties as the time when Gaelic football was at it’s best. You usually call this as 02-09 for obvious shoulder-chipped reasons.

Your stupidity is in even keel with your arrogance. I have never stated the 12-20 era was weak, I have stated the contrary but once again Juhy steams in bald headed to make a point and once again Juhy shows us that if he was 10% as smart as he thinks he is, then he might actually be intelligent.

Thank for showing the forum you can’t read.

[myboyblue]

@Biff_Egan

@BruidheanChaorthainn

I’m glad you accepted it was a weak era Tyrone made hay in. The notion it was a golden era is nonsense. 8 arguably 9 of the 10 biggest Gaelic football counties were below average.

Tyrone won a few soft titles in a weak era and were humbled by the likes of Laois and Meath. They are the Leyton Hewitt or Rory McIlroy of GAA.

TBF Laois took them in a year when they were in turmoil. It doesn’t really count

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

The Munster lads are reeling here and I haven’t even really got stuck into provincial imbalance yet.

[Juhniallio]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Dominant alright but I think the 08-11 era had a big drop off from say the 02-07 period.

Fact 1
Here’s you saying 08-01 was a lot weaker than 02-07.

[Juhniallio]

@Juhniallio

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Dominant alright but I think the 08-11 era had a big drop off from say the 02-07 period.

Fulvio Gold!

Fact 2
Here’s me laughing at your set in stone position that the noughts were a golden era, because Ulster was strong then.

[Juhniallio]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You think the Tyrone 08, Kerry 09, Cork 10 and Dublin 11 teams were superior to any team that won an AI between 02-07 and 12-20?

Serious question.

I think those respective sides 08-11 would have really struggled to win All Irelands outside of that period.

Fact 3
Heres you moving the goalposts to try to make my statement into something else. Into your designated argument.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

@Juhniallio

Fact 1
Here’s you saying 08-01 was a lot weaker than 02-07.

@Juhniallio

Fact 2
Here’s me laughing at your set in stone position that the noughts were a golden era, because Ulster was strong then

@Juhniallio

Fact 3
Heres you moving the goalposts to try to make my statement into something else. Into your designated argument.

Fact 4

@Juhniallio

They then won 25% in your next ‘weak’ era. And 10 % in a different subsequent ‘weak’ era.

Here’s you inferring that I said 12-20 was a weaker era.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

No. You’d be wrong and you must be stupid to come to that conclusion.

Ulster teams won 3 of 6 All Irelands 02-07.
Ulster teams won 1 of 4 All Irelands 08-11.
Ulster teams won 1 of 10 All Irelands 12-20.

So in fact Ulster teams were as statistically successful in the weak era as they were in the strong eras. 1 in 4 vs 4 in 15 is more or less the same ratio.

Once again, your arrogance walks you into a hole.

Fact 5, here’s me saying 12-20 was a strong era.

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

You think the Tyrone 08, Kerry 09, Cork 10 and Dublin 11 teams were superior to any team that won an AI between 02-07 and 12-20?

Fact 6.

Here’s me also stating 12-20 was a stronger era.

There’s some amount of arrogance on this board but you’re top of the class when it comes being caught with your pants down but simply unable to take your medicine. If you were 10% as smart as you think you are you might be a threat to consider, you’re not though.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

Between 03 and 08 there was three finals decided by ten plus points. There hasn’t been a final since this period decided by more than 6 points. It was a really poor era for football.

[ChairmanDan]

Admirable as Mayo have been over the last decade now reaching 10 out of the last 11 semi finals, they have one recurring problem. They really struggle to beat either of the two big heavyweights of the sport, Dublin or Kerry. There has been a few draws thrown in as well, but Mayo have played Dublin and Kerry 14 times in the championship since 2011 and they’ve recorded just a solitary win against both from those 14 meetings. The win over Dublin was in their first meeting in that time period all the way back in 2012.

Certainly in 2016 and 2017, at their peak of the last decade, Mayo were better than Kerry and pretty much the equal of Dublin. As someone else remarked Mayo just had 3 players from 2017 on Sunday. Since 2017, they’ve lost in 2019 to Kerry by 10 points, Dublin by 10 points and by 5 points to Dublin in 2020 final, without ever remotely looking like Mayo could win after the opening Dublin goal inside 15 seconds. Asking a lot for Mayo to most likely have to beat Dublin and Kerry to win the All Ireland this year.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Connacht teams have absolutely appalling records against Kerry and Dublin.

[Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy]

Galway haven’t beaten Dublin in a knockout Championship game since 1934 or Kerry in a knockout Championship game since 1965

Mayo have won 2 of 17 games against Dublin and 5 of 28 v Kerry.

Sligo and Leitrim have never beaten either and not sure about Roscommon.

[Tank]

Roscommon have beaten Kerry in the final once, in 1944 and lost to them in the final 3 times.

They have never beaten Dublin at the business end of the Championship, and I’m not even sure if they’ve ever played them, although it seems likely to have happened at least once and they’ve probably played them at some stage in the Qualifiers.

[tazdedub]

@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy

Connacht teams have absolutely appalling records against Kerry and Dublin.

Connacht have always been seen as a soft touch.

[ChairmanDan]

It took 105 years of Championship football before an Ulster side registered a win over Dublin - Donegal in the 1992 All Ireland Final.

Dublin and Kerry have 67 All Ireland’s between them. That’s just over half of the 133 played for. There’s a Big 2 and after that it’s scraps for everyone else.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tank

Roscommon have beaten Kerry in the final once, in 1944 and lost to them in the final 3 times.

They have never beaten Dublin at the business end of the Championship, and I’m not even sure if they’ve ever played them, although it seems likely to have happened at least once and they’ve probably played them at some stage in the Qualifiers.

Roscommon famously lost the 1946 All Ireland Final to Kerry after being 6 points up with 3 minutes to go. Roscommon captain Jimmy Murray got a smack in the face and had a bloody nose. He was on the sideline and wanted to come back on but the Roscommon official wanted to wipe the blood off his face so he’d look right for the presentation of the cup. While this was going on Kerry scored two quick goals and the match went to a replay which Roscommon lost.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Fagan_ODowd

@Tank

Roscommon have beaten Kerry in the final once, in 1944 and lost to them in the final 3 times.

They have never beaten Dublin at the business end of the Championship, and I’m not even sure if they’ve ever played them, although it seems likely to have happened at least once and they’ve probably played them at some stage in the Qualifiers.

Roscommon famously lost the 1946 All Ireland Final to Kerry after being 6 points up with 3 minutes to go. Roscommon captain Jimmy Murray got a smack in the face and had a bloody nose. He was on the sideline and wanted to come back on but the Roscommon official wanted to wipe the blood off his face so he’d look right for the presentation of the cup. While this was going on Kerry scored two quick goals and the match went to a replay which Roscommon lost.

This yarn was on Up for the Match presented by Liam O Murchu the night before the 1980 Roscommon Kerry final.