What is your point, other than trying to be obnoxious?
You have not got the first clue about the relevant issues involved in the Galway management scenario of late 2021.
Nodding dogs love Brian Cody.
Too late in the year for Jason. Hed fire them over from all angles in February alright
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I dont know what a tin of Andrews is?
Iâm not saying Lyng is a bad manager but i think he was very lucky at different stages this year. The Leinster Final was a total robbery and Clare facilitated their Semi Final win by self sabotage.
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At least Forde wouldnât foul the ball when taking them.
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Kilkenny have now lost 4 all Irelandâs in a row.they are well on their way to being the Mayo of hurlingâŠI can see a lot of retirements coming i canât see why the likes of Richie Hogan would continue.
Here are the two teams from 2014âs Minor All Ireland Final:
KILKENNY Darren Brennan, Tommy Walsh, Conor Delaney, Cathal McGrath, Pat Lyng, Jason Cleere, Darragh Joyce, Conor Browne, Luke Scanlon, SeĂĄn Morrissey, Ross Butler, RĂłnan Corcoran, Alan Murphy, Liam Blanchfield, John Walsh.
Subs: Billy Ryan for Ross Butler (ht), Eoin Kenny for Conor Browne (38m), Andrew Gaffney for Ronan Corcoran (59m).
LIMERICK Eoghan McNamara, SeĂĄn Finn, Paddy OâLoughlin, Lorcan Lyons, Colin Ryan, Andrew La Touch-Cosgrave, Conor Byrnes, Robbie Hanley, Thomas Grimes, SĂ©amus Flanagan, Barry Nash, Cian Lynch, Peter Casey, Tom Morrissey, Ronan Lynch.
Subs: Conor Fitzgerald for Conor Byrnes (16m), Ed Doyle for Conor Fitzgerald (ht), Jamie Porter for Lorcan Lyons (ht), Barry Murphy for Thomas Grimes (54m).
The gulf in player development is fairly stark. Brian Cody got the credit for everything when things were going well. So we might take a look at the obverse as well.
On 2022 versus 2023: well, Kilkenny could have won last year bar some terrible wides. This year, they were game in the first half and seeing them off drew an extraordinary performance from Limerick in the second half. All credit to them and Limerick simply have a better team at the moment than everyone else. End of.
But do I think Kilkenny hurling gave itself optimum chance over the last seven or eight years? Do I fuck⊠To give just one instance: putting Pådraig Walsh full back in 2017 was one of the dumbest hurling decisions ever made.
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Do you seriously think Brian Cody is the future?
Is that Eamonn Horan at one end and Dickie Murphy at the other?
Maybe I do or maybe I donât.
And Iâm not particularly a fan of Brian Codyâs (which I think will upset him greatly) but my point is that the senior manager is not responsible for the development of players until they join his squad.
He didnât have too many diamonds in latter years yet kept them very competitive.
Not really no.
On the 2014 Minor team, they were average at Under 21 so itâs hardly Codyâs fault they didnât kick on.
The big problem is surely Kierans monopoly on the schools.
You have a tenuous grip on hurling matters if you think being âcompetitiveâ is praiseworthy.
I would not consider putting PĂĄdraig Walsh full back made Kilkenny more competitive.
Heâs a lad who canât handle change.
He needs everything to be familiar to feel comfortable.
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Didnât that Kilkenny team lose 2-8 to 0-3 or something like that against Dublin the same year? A major scalp in the final against Limerick but their trajectory wasnât exactly linear. A fair chunk of those players lost to Westmeath in U21 in 2016 as well.
The core problem is the nodding dog culture fostered from the early 2010s onwards. The nadir of that craic was the instalment of Pat Tynan as Development Officer (and the County Board trying to get him reappointed.).
You are right about Tom Phelan. Terrible untidy. But he deserves another go next year. Could at least compete for ball in the air.
True, in all likelihood, about Mossie Keoghan (as a forward), Billy Ryan and Tommy Walsh. Conor Fogarty was washed up as far back as 2016 (look at what happens for Niall OâMearaâs goal).
Hard to know best position for Cian Kenny. Probably roving corner forward.
GearĂłid Dunne is good â but is he a forward?
Eoghan Lyng is the young hurler you mean, I am fairly certain. He will be fast tracked, along with Killian Corcoran and Jeff Neary.
All true. And there are serious questions about that notable lack of development.
It took a complete meltdown in Limerick (2009- 2010) for change to be adopted. The GAA structures arent readily made for foreward thinking people to come to the fore. The JP influence is rightly been pointed to as a keystone down here but what people decide to ignore is that he influenced everyting that happened in the naughties via big Joe. Another nodding dogs secanario.
To their credit they recognised the problem - Limerick was not and never was an environment for young players to develop in sufficient quantity to suceed . The solution was to take over the Lifting the Treaty stragety and create an accademy OUTSIDE the control of the county board. That meant players were not only athletes but Iâm told have a sense of belonging to something different.
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Thatâs the big one, under the control of JPâs brother.
That Limerick minor team is incredible. Even those who didnât make it at Inter County are excellent club hurlers. It must be the best starting 6 forwards ever in one minor team.
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