2023 AI Hurling Final Limericks v KK

[maurice_brown]

@Malarkey

I would ban the handpass outright.

Looks like the easiest option to kill the blight.

[flattythehurdler]

It’s no odds at all. I’d be far more keen on them rewriting the penalty rules so it’s the back foot has to be behind the line, and players aren’t worried about it.
I thought Limerick got frees a bit easier yesterday, not that it made any difference, though the 65 call was obviously wrong also.
Best team in the country won comfortably.
It’d be a great championship of Limerick were good rather than great. I don’t think the other top counties are bad at all. They are all really good. It’s just Limerick have the serendipity of size, along with everything else.
In other epochs, nobody was trying to take down a team of that stature.

[maurice_brown]

@Declan_Moffat

As an aside to this, the Dummy Handpass thrown by Cody yesterday was exquisite.

It actually got me off my chair! I thought he was through. Delightful.

[Declan_Moffat]

As @Spidey said, Nicky used to drive Cork mad with it.

[fenwaypark]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

think the simple solution is to mandate refs to blow for anything that is not a clear and obvious hand pass - as in a release and a strike in two separate motions.

Impossible to ref this. Skill levels are so high, that lads can do this in a split second.

[gilgamboa]

@Fagan_ODowd

You’re after winning a four in a row and you have a problem with how the referee blew the final whistle?

First world problems…to say the least

[maurice_brown]

@Malarkey

My thought in this area has little or nothing to do with Limerick, since I believe they would have won yesterday even if handpassing was not an option.

My thoughts also. My bestowing the title of 4 in a thRow champions upon the green machine is purely craic based really.

[gilgamboa]

@TreatyStones

My only issue with Keenan yesterday was that he made a balls of full time.

He should have just let the puck out be taken and blow it up then. As it was, it took a few seconds for everyone to realise it was over.

In the spirit of first world problems I thought ye were let down with the worst Sunday game iv ever seen

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

I don’t agree - there should be a release and then the hand/arm goes back to strike - onus is on the player to make it clear and obvious so should be at least a couple of inches not centimetres - not the release/push we see all too often at the minute.

[Malarkey]

@Bisto

@Malarkey

Agree entirely on U21 as a better indicator. I remember the 1993 Minor All Ireland-winning Kilkenny team being hailed as a particularly gifted one.

Was there a really good forward from castlcomer on that ? And a lad called Cleere too?

David Buggy. Extraordinarily good hands and touch. Was on Kilkenny Senior panel for a while.

Damien Cleere (Graigue-Ballycallan). Excellent ballplayer. But got too heavy too quick. Made a championship appearance for Kilkenny in 1996, if memory serves. But not sure he was there in 1997 and he was certainly gone by 1999 and arrival of Brian Cody.

[fenwaypark]

You cant penalise players for perfecting a ‘skill’. If the skill is the issue then that needs to be addressed.

[Bisto]

@Malarkey

David Buggy

That’s the fella . He was unreal

[maurice_brown]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

not the release/push we see all too often at the minute.

Sliotar just rolls off the fingers at best

[gilgamboa]

@Mullach_Ide

Laughed listening to the radio when stuck in traffic yesterday (only got parked up at 2.55pm).
Mullane et al were talking away when suddenly Mullane said “that can’t be fair surely” as the Limerick backroom team began installing their own camera beside the RTE one on the gantry

Heard that too twas gas

[Malarkey]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

I think it would add a few extra percentage of difficulty in terms of the speed and accuracy that keepers can deliver short and intermediate puckouts meaning teams would be able to push up on these/read these easier. Would lead to more contested long deliveries rather than teams trying to circumnavigate the middle third through short puckouts and playing out from the full backline. Would reduce the shot and score count and lead to more high fielding and contested ball in the middle third

Okay. And I have heard versions of this argument made.

The counterargument, I suppose, is that making short puckouts more difficult/more risky to execute would encourage teams to bring out more men into their half back line, because the likelihood/effectiveness of a short puckout had been diluted by the lift and strike requirement.

[maurice_brown]

@fenwaypark

You cant penalise players for perfecting a ‘skill’. If the skill is the issue then that needs to be addressed

If the skill is executed perfectly then there’s no issue

[Aristotle]

Teams already struggle massively on their own puckout with a strike from the hand, would a free-style puckout not lead to more rucks, etc, which people want to eliminate.

[PasqualePaoli]

They are clearly throwing the ball and it’s being coached to underage teams across the country

[fenwaypark]

But it is impossible to distinguish. Hence, you either accept it or ban it.

Imho, handpass off the hurley should be only option.

[fenwaypark]

Plus, it has brought a new dimension to goalkeeping. Long gone are the days of just hitting it as far as possible. The ability to pick out targets with such precision is a huge skill.