Iād have very high hopes that Jarlath will sort out the wheat from the chaff once he gets inside the door.
I hope he finds a role for Ogie.
Iām not sure where to put this but the misunderstanding of the rules on charging (which means a shoulder charge) from otherwise knowledgeable hurling folk is astonishing.
There is no such offence as ābargingā and you are not allowed to charge with the ball.
There is no such term as steps in the rule book when referring to overcarrying either. Stop being so precious
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Ah FFS. Where would you be going debating with this.
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1.7 When a player is in possession of the ball it may be: (a) Carried in the hand for a maximum of four consecutive steps or held in the hand for no longer than the time needed to take four steps.
For a very knowledgeable hurling person you clearly havenāt a bulls notion what the rules of the game are.
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Yes, you can take four steps. It doesnāt class the act of overcarrying the ball as āstepsā yet that is the ubiquitous term for the act
The rule is on steps. The rulebook says steps. You are completely wrong.
There clearly is.
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You are going to bizarre lengths on these semantics. Stop being so precious, there are plenty of terms used which arenāt in the rule book - this is a very weird hill to die on. Are lads wrong to shout throw ball now as well?
Thereās nothing bizarre about it, whatās bizarre is your odd doubling down on your complete lack of knowledge of what the actual rules are.
You said steps isnāt in the rulebook, it is. āBargingā is a misunderstanding of charging, and the rules on charging are widely misunderstood. Youāre completely wrong on both counts, you could just accept that you misunderstood the rules and take it a learning and move on. Have you ever even read the rulebook?
No.
4.2 (a) To throw the ball.
Another rule you donāt know, apparently.
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Dictionary semantics. Really highlights your deep understanding of the game.
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Its been quite informative this over and back tbh.
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I said the terms steps is not specified as the term for overcarrying yet it is the ubiquitous term used for the act. The rule book says you can take four steps but makes no reference to the term steps = overcarrying.
Same with shoulder charge/barge, the two terms in essence mean the same thing, why even argue the difference . The rule book and vernacular used to describe the game are not the same, surprised this has to be spelt out to you
Fair enough - I will hold my hands up to that one and edit my post but the point stands all the same. Itās not like charging and barging have completely different meanings
No, thatās not what you said on steps.
āBargingā is just a complete misunderstanding of the rules. People understand it as running into a player, thereās nothing in the rulebook about that. What the rulebook doesnāt allow is charging with the ball, meaning a shoulder charge. If people understood what was in the rules a lot of their misunderstandings of ref decisions would be cleared up.
I didnāt set out to have a go at you here, as I said youāre very knowledgeable about the game. But in the space of a brief exchange youāve shown three mistakes/misunderstandings on three separate rules. Itās not semantics, you donāt know what the rulebook says, and the ref can only apply whatās in the rulebook.
I just checked the rule book and I think you may be incorrect also, buddy
5.11 (a) To charge an opponent in the back or to the
front.
(b) To charge an opponent unless:
(i) he is in possession of the ball, or
(ii) he is playing the ball, or
(iii) both players are moving in the direction of
the ball to play it.
(c) To charge an opponent for the purpose of giv-
ing an advantage to a team ā mate.
5.13 (a) To charge (in a manner otherwise permissible on an opponent) the Goalkeeper in his small rectangle.
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(b) For a player in possession of the ball to charge an opponent.
āChargeā there means a shoulder charge. Itās at 1.9 and repeated in the glossary of terms.
Yes, but 5.11 clearly states that a frontal or back charge can not take place by a player be it in possession or not. Which is what many would deem a barge
No different to steps I suppose. The word charge is there and you canāt do it to the front or back of a man in possession which is what i was referring to.
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You canāt charge (meaning shoulder) a person into the front or back, correct. You canāt charge while in possession.