A new low for Israel. How low can they go?

Another casualty….

Stay safe mate, Dundalk is a dangerous shithole.

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Best wishes @mickee321

Glad to hear all is okay Mickee. Must be a mad time to be from the region. Glad you aren’t there, but worried about them all constantly.
Our best to herself. Hope it all works out as best it can for all concerned.
I fear it won’t end for a while though

Good to hear from you @mickee321

Grim but fascinating reading. Better than anything you’d read in the papers.

I assume, as normal, the lazy journalists that lurk hear will use half it for their own summation.

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Name the bastards

Best wishes @mickee321.

All the best to you and your family mate.

all the best @mickee321 , good to hear from you and glad to hear the family are safe and well.

Good to hear from you mickee, all the best to you and hope all friends and family stay safe.

Great to hear from you and that’s a massively helpful post to understand things. Keep safe and mind the family

Id say loads lurk the lazy bastards although twitter is probably an easier source.

I know there was something mentioned about Paddy Power accounts here once and a day later it was in The Journal and I remember Chris Donoghue spouted something on his breakfast show one morning that was word for word a post from the previous evening.

I don’t listen to the radio, watch tv or buy the papers anymore. I occasionally come on here to see if @Rocko has apologised to @Nembo_Kid about Lennon and the Celtic board and I read twitter while having a shite.

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Glad to hear you are well @mickee321

There’s a lot of lads going to look very insightful at watercoolers this morning

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TFK is a great spot for on the ground information.

Trump’s foreign policy was predicated upon how he and his extended family could make the most money by any means necessary. Like his domestic policy.

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And then what?
All it will do is shift no man’s land.

I agree with pretty much all of your views on this, but I’m not so sure this bit is entirely true?

The North is merely cosplaying at hatred compared to the hatred between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

The Israelis won’t even entertain talking to the Palestinians.

To me that’s the biggest issue. How can anything be resolved when this is the situation?

None of this in any way justifies Hamas’s carry on last weekend though. A real pang of ISIS off that.

Lads cheers

Look, at the end of the day here this situation is utterly diabolical, there have been 1200 people murdered in southern israel on Saturday morning and there is also a population of 2 million people in Gaza living under a manic dictatorship who are without hope and are now being pummelled with Israeli artillery. It is horrible

The fact is not lost on me that Sderot and kfar Aza that saw the majority of the mass murder on the Israeli side was part of Gaza, The Balfour declaration saw its Palestinian inhabitants herded into refugee camps in preset day Khan Younis in the Northern part of the strip… there are people living there without hope , and the only hope they have at times is from radicalization , we all seek a sense of purpose in life and maybe this is all is now available to them. Israel is partly to blame for this, nobody in anyway can for one second justify slaughtering 2 whole towns on a Saturday morning BUT , israel have facilitated a situation that hamas and iran have capitalised on here with their utterly over the top military interventions over the years.

Now, other factors, there is an Egytptian Gaza crossing at Rafah, would the Egyptians ever open that?, not a hope, militias in Sinai profit too much from smuggling into Gaza, the Arab world see Palestinians as the lowest of the low and a state as arrogant as Egypt is happy to see it as Israel’s problem.

Israel’s point, Ariel Sharon pulled the last jewish people out of Gaza in 2005, it is ethnically cleansed of jews, Israeli society still refer to the scenes in Gush katif where the soldiers pulled the settlers out of their homes, it was ā€œ anti Zionismā€ and Sharon was seen to have made a concession that was previously unheard of in collaboration with Fatah the then PLO… this was fine until 2007 when Hamas in a civil war with Fatah their hated Palestinian breathern forcibly took over the strip, imposed their law with one policy, the destruction of the Israeli state and this is where we are today…. Israel’s point is that as long as there is an entity next to them whose single policy is to have the place destroyed they need to have it under punitive control, and– relax at all like they have now and see what happens… They see that they gave Gaza ā€œbackā€ and look what has happened? We have now created ourselves a ā€œstateā€ that wants us eliminated

I dunno what the solution is lads, hamas need to be removed but that is probably impossible, I don’t think the IDF can do that without enormous casualties , no foreign army I believe will go in as they know that its another Fallujah waiting to happen… ideally you probably need a Wagner style organisation to go in there and fight Hamas… only when Hamas are removed will israel attempt to normalise relations with gaza and ultimately allow it function but I cannot ever see it happening.

Netanyahu now and his classic working class support base want another chest thumping speech about ā€œ revengeā€ and ā€œ we are strongā€, he will do that for optics but I think even he knows that rolling in on the ground will be a catastrophe…

Will he do it?

He may not have a choice

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