A United Ireland

[myboyblue]

@farmerinthecity

You’re an awful bloody fool at times.

How so?

[flattythehurdler]

@the_man_himself

A border poll rushed through in the next 2 years vs a border poll in 10 to 15 years with demographics changing even more and more time to debate the logistics of it, and benefits and disadvantages

The economy of the two countries may not remain as skewed toward a united Ireland (it may become even more starkly skewed)
I think we should grasp the nettle, vote early, and vote often if we have to.

[farmerinthecity]

The post I quoted.

[Thomas_Brady]

When loyalists see they’ll be getting an extra 100euro a week on the dole in the new Ireland they’ll be all in. Just don’t tell em that 100euro will only get them a loaf of bread and a pint of milk.

[myboyblue]

Thats seems churlish. There was nothing to be gained in going for the DUP’s last night in the manner he did. Joe knows RTÉ and is no fool. All he did was take himself out of the debate that was going on. A very good debate up to that point in fact.

Everyone knows what the fucking DUP and its shower of cunts are. It didnt do anything last night to go through it again.

[artfoley]

@Fagan_ODowd

I only saw a clip of it on Twitter but he just seemed to go off on one about the DUP rather than talking about a United Ireland. It wasn’t relevant and Claire Byrne had probably no idea what he would end up saying so she was probably within her rights to shut him down.

brolly was well within her rights and CB probably still thinks that S31 still applies so she gleefully cut off the nationalist

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

the Brits did that in the 70s

https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/events/dublin/chron.htm

[flattythehurdler]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

I also assume that London will be kept on the hook to fit their part of the bill

Good luck with that. They are already a pariah state. Fuck em in any case.

[flattythehurdler]

@Bandage

He should probably reflect on his stance and he will hopefully get a chance to do that in prison

Your turn of phrase remains a beacon of joy.

[flattythehurdler]

@balbec

Do you think people will come out from under the bed to vote? I doubt it. Bridie has never been further north than Athlone.

The teachers won’t want to miss the Christmas trip to Newry. They’ll be promoting Ulster unionism in the classroom.

[flattythehurdler]

@Ralphie

Pat Falvey explaining that if you are outdoors and it’s cold put a hat one

This actually reminds me of a story my godmother told me. She lived in rathmines, and who should move in next door only pat Kenny. He came over to stick his oar in to the neighborhood watch type committee, and when he informed her he worked presenting television shows, she thought he must be Pat’s Hat, and said the kids used watch him.
He was apparently livid.

[flattythehurdler]

@Thomas_Brady

And what would that say about us as a people if we let ourselves be intimidated by violence? Shur wasn’t that the main mantra by Hume and others throughout the troubles but you think it shouldn’t apply to us in the south?

He’s not saying he would be, he’s saying people might be. But you’re dealing with people who’d be asking their accountant which way to vote.

[flattythehurdler]

@Bandage

Agree totally. Varadkar’s stance last night wasn’t much different to MLMD’s, with Micheál Martin taking an auxiliary DUP position based on the time he went to Derry as an Ógra Fianna Fáil member.

That said, actions speak louder than words. It’s all well and good for Varadkar to state that current institutions need to work better and we must foster stronger relations with the north before formally introducing the reunification debate.

It’s not something he’s shown any leadership on to date, especially when you consider his main references to the north in recent years have been sneery, baiting interventions, using northern nationalists’ experiences to goad SF. He should probably reflect on his stance and he will hopefully get a chance to do that in prison.

Bruton is just an outright cunt. As you say, nobody is arguing for a poll tomorrow or in the immediate short term. But it’s something that’s being discussed in the north, irrespective of what a dinosaur like Bruton thinks. A pity RTE didn’t engage with more younger and progressive types instead of the likes of him, Campbell and Bryson.

There will always be “now is not the time” merchants on an issue like this. And in this instance now is not the time to even consider it for the DUP, Micheál Martin and John Bruton. Genuine attempts should be made to bring them along but they shouldn’t and won’t be allowed to veto it. I’d say the morning the Berlin Wall came tumbling down there was a German version of Bruton arguing that conditions weren’t right for reunification.

And don’t even get me started on Claire Byrne or The Claire Byrne Show itself. I’ve overused the examples of her show being obsessed with making things out to be “both sides”, even when there aren’t two sides to it. Like racism, drink driving or whatever. This issue was different in that there clearly are two sides to the debate. But to censor Joe Brolly for something she allowed others to do unchecked was pathetic. As @TreatyStones said last night, the deference RTE show to the likes of the DUP is sickening when they’re openly hostile to even civic nationalism like Brolly, never mind SF representatives. I don’t know if Byrne is an RTE stooge or just thick as shit. Probably a bit of both.

This post, in it’s entirety, should be on the leaving cert English syllabus (ordinary level)
It’s an absolute beaut.

[cowpat]

Bryson is young, the supposed bracket to be targetted.

[Thomas_Brady]

Bandage and Rocko are both in the Ra so we’re ok.

[Thomas_Brady]

Do you reckon he’s typical of all young people in NI?

[Thomas_Brady]

The tricolour and Amhrán na bhFiann are gone… They have to go. They have no place in a new Ireland.

I think language is something that we can use to create bonds. 80% of Unionists stem from a Gaelic irish background… And the others have probably have a Gaelic irish name somewhere in their bloodline. These are very real and shared origins and heritage… no makey uppy flags and songs or religions that are used to divide us. How many unionists know the origins and meaning of their family name or local placename. These are all shared things that can’t be denied or manipulated. They’re the foundations we should build on.

[farmerinthecity]

Ireland’s Call to be played at GAA matches?

[myboyblue]

@farmerinthecity

Ireland’s Call to be played at GAA matches?

Hardly.

[Tank]

Not the first people he’s frightened the shite out of.

I’ve been avoiding RTE for weeks but it sounds like I’ll have to watch this on RTE player. What Brolly said isn’t relevant but it’s factually correct and he’s won over the wokesters like myself so fair play to him.

Micheal Martin is the most pathetic Irishman since Diarmuid MacMorrough.

John Britain is what he is. He was against letting Sinn Fein into the peace process because that would be a surrender to IRA violence but will allow loyalist violence to defeat the will of the people.

@Thomas_Brady as regards Jamie Bryson it would be naive to think that young unionists are that far removed from their parents, or any more removed than we are from the older generations down south. I will say though that I’ve great banter with some unionist girls who come down south and have the craic in Dublin in a way that I don’t think would have happened 20 years ago. These are girls who had relatives killed by the IRA and they’re still unionists (I think) but they let bygones be bygones.