No, and Iāve never said that. You making an argument on my behalf is pathetic.
I can see it, I just think it is utterly ridiculous. It flies in the face of love both or being against abortion. āI dont want abortion here, but you can do it over thereā. It makes zero sense to me. And I have absolutely no issues with people being morally against abortion. But they are morally against it but dont have an issue with it if it is done elsewhere.
Jesus Christ Almighty.
Does the unborn baby cone into consideration whatsoever in your blinkered view?
They do have an issue with it done elsewhere but not to the extent that people should be prevented travel. I really donāt think you understand what Iām saying here. Clare Daly, a member of parliament remember, favours full term abortions. I donāt agree with that, I do agree with hard cases being catered for. Wonāt be easy but it isnāt doable without letting the Dalys of this world run riot.
Iām not making an argument on your behalf, Iām asking you a question.
The contradiction here is you being okay with Irish women making the choice to travel and thereby access abortions but rejecting any proposal which allows them have access to a (more restrictive) framework for abortions in their own countries. It really is the worst kind of mealy-mouthed, head in the sand NIMBYism.
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So would you not agree that we should repeal the 8th due to itās unsuitability for constitutional law and then trust the democratic will of the peoples representatives to make laws for both hard cases and all cases and adjust as required?
This referendum is doing nothing but removing an amendment. The gov have proposed legislation but thatās what it is, a proposal.
The constitution is no place for this sort of nuanced decision-making
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No, I do understand. I just think it is ridiculous. And its not meant as a slight on you, but more so the people who voted in the 13th amendment but vote against this one. Iād acknowledge a more rigid and unnerving viewpoint more to be honest.
Full term abortions wont get in here. There is already too much shite about 12 weeks, a loon like Daly wouldnt get anywhere near enough support for that, nor would the general public support it. But, as I posted above, even if it did, 0.001% of abortions after 25 weeks, most likely those are due to serious complications to either the baby or mother. And usually after 25 weeks a baby isnt aborted, but delivered. A woman doesnt carry a child for 25 weeks to then abort it for no good reason.
Why do you keep bringing this up. Itās irrelevant to what is being proposed. Itās akin to the opponents of gay marriage using David Norrisās comments on ancient Greek homosexual activity as a reason to vote against the referendum. This slippery slope scaremongering has been used in all these debates across Europe, and the table of gestational limits shows these fears are groundless. How do you think a government would get on trying to expand the proposed regime, given how desperately divisive bringing even that in has been?
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I think thatās a bit harsh.
Its her view and she articulates it well. I donāt necessarily agree with it but I am sure she would accept that.
Unlike faux morally outraged prostitute using Church going vermin that are on the no side.
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I mean in general. I also dont agree with it but wouldnt be the only reason for being a loon.
Do you think unborn children have no right to live?
Sheās a protest politician. Nothing she says is every going to happen in a democratic government of coalition but I donāt think that having a protest voice is any harm at all.
Well then why didnāt they propose legislation just to deal with the hard cases?
If people want to do that, thats their choice, im not going to block them from doing it. Lots of my friends are pro repeal and abortion, im not gonna fall out with them.but theres a difference in that and not approving of it, certainly being legal in ireland.
Iāve answered all questions here, no one has answered mine.
A healthy unborn baby, four months into pregnancy, should that baby be allowed to be aborted? Any of ye man enough to answer that?
I dont want to hear what percentage of babies are aborted within 12 weeks etc and asking me about Canadian law, or cicero bout mickey harte, is not debating like adults lads,all entirely irrelevant
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If the pregnancy poses a risk to the life or health of the mother, then yes
Ok further clarification needed, unnecessarily, no risk to mother
Iām unsure what youāre asking there
How do you prove itās a hard case? Do we have trials or hearings to determine?
3 months is a decent deadline and gives the women in these situations ample time to get the foetus aborted.
The proposed legislation is for 12 weeks not 4 months