Abortion Referendum Thread

[Sidney]

A foetus cannot have an equal right to life to the woman carrying it because the respective rights to life can compete against each other - ie. if the zygote/embryo/foetus’s so called right to life is to be upheld, there will be situations where it can be only be upheld by denying or putting at serious risk the mother’s right to life or to health. That is barbaric.

In such a situation, the mother’s right to life or to health should always, always, always take primacy. In Ireland, this is not the case.

That’s why the Universal Declaration of Human Rights refers to the word “born”, and why no other country in Europe bar perhaps Malta (I don’t know their exact constitutional situation) offers an equal right to life to a foetus as it does to the woman carrying it.

And that’s why the 8th Amendment is a complete disaster that needs to be obliterated. Because the outcomes of that “equal right to life” can be utterly disastrous for women.

Even for those who are anti-abortion, it is a fringe, absolutist position to claim that a zygote should have an equal right to life as the woman carrying it. That fringe position encompasses forcing 12 year old rape victims to carry a pregnancy to term against their will and encompasses support for the situation where Savita Halappanavar was denied an abortion.

If one doesn’t think that a zygote should have an equal right to life as the woman carrying it, one is anti-8th Amendment.

[artfoley]

Bullet points please

I also wonder why you didnt go with the european charter of fundamental rights which has proper legal effect in Ireland?

[Chucks_Nwoko]

What year did you leave the sem?

I have a dubious photo of johnny arse in my repertoire but would hate to post it and have @Rocko being harassed by his solicitor.

[Tank]

I was a year behind Johnny Arse, I think I left in 03. Can you PM out that photo?

[flattythehurdler]

I’d take a pm. Opus dei stories are great.

[johnnysachs]

PM please?

[gilgamboa]

@Tank

went to school with John McGuirk, Johnny Arse as we called him. So did @Chucks_Nwoko. Fucking Class A cunt. I’ve long been thinking of writing a long 1000 word post just about all the cuntery he got up to and maybe I will one day. Destined for cunt greatness from an early age, a cunt prodigy. He beat up my friend once. A laughing stock always. Anyone from the Sem would vote Yes just to spite the cunt.

Please do. Set up a members only thread for it

[johnnysachs]

Why dont we just role out euthanasia while we are at it. Its peoples bodies they can do what they like with them. Legalize heroin and crystal meth too, people should have a right to poison their bodies as they see fit.

[Chucks_Nwoko]

How do i know you’re not johnny arse and this isn’t a sting?

[Ashman]

I assume St MacCartan’s College is known as “ the sem “ ??

[Fran]

@maroonandwhite

@farmerinthecity

Because it is justified that a raped girl can abort her baby. In fact it is abhorrent that any legal system would penalise such an event.

It is justified. Could such a victim not say she was suicidal and that be grounds enough under the current system.

@maroonandwhite’s solution to the problem:

Rape Victim: Doctor doctor, I’ve been raped and I’m pregnant with the rapist’s child, I want to have an abortion.

Doctor: It’s illegal for you to have an abortion in this country under those circumstances, but just convince me you’re going to top yourself and we’ll sort it out for you

[Chucks_Nwoko]

It’s the seminary to you.

[maroonandwhite]

Thats not my solution, its the law

[Fran]

@maroonandwhite

If these victims are distraught, mentally destroyed and do not want to see their pregnancies through they should of course be allowed have abortions (arguably the legal framework exists now where they can)

Why do they have to be distraught and mentally destroyed?

Can they not make a mentally stable, rationale decision to not give birth to the child of their rapist?

[Fran]

@maroonandwhite

Thats not my solution, its the law

And you’re happy with it?

[maroonandwhite]

Yes. You come across very slow sometimes

[maroonandwhite]

At least you’re not just calling it my solution. No offence bro but you are out of your depth here. Read a few of the better posters and smile and nod and stuff.

[Ashman]

The title of this thread ???

[Fran]

You can puff your chest out and posture all you want, use it as a way to dig yourself out of the hole you’ve made for yourself but the truth of the matter is you’re talking utter horseshit here.

At least try and address my point or maybe just ignore it and hope it goes away. Resorting to personal insults so early in the conversation?

[Cicero_Dandi]

@Fran

Can they not make a mentally stable, rationale decision to not give birth to the child of their rapist?

It’s also their own child.