Abortion Referendum Thread

[maroonandwhite]

Politicians are just populists, varadkar says he supports repeal now but previously

Varadkar opposed to abortion for rape victims

The constitution is the only thing tht keeps them in check

[maroonandwhite]

After brexit and trump how do pollsters still have jobs. Youd have to guess that favours the silent no voters, or many won’t bother voting

[artfoley]

@Matty_Hislop

Heard on the wireless this morning that there are still 17% undecided, that’s a huge number with only a week to go.

It’s the abortion version of the Bradley effect

[Gman]

I reckon it will go no. There has been a serious uplift in the propaganda in the last week. The “government booklet” the no side released and serious increase in posters and people on the ground. “winning” the debate on Clair Byrne etc.

Plus I reckon there are a heap of people voting no who are “undecided” for fear of actually saying what the believe because they’ll be shouted down.

[maroonandwhite]

Its a pity people are shouted down for making a personal decision.

[Matty_Hislop]

@Gman

Plus I reckon there are a heap of people voting no who are “undecided” for fear of actually saying what the believe because they’ll be shouted down.

Surely that cuts both ways though? There will be a lot of silent yes voters in more rural areas. Women from all 26 counties have been forced to go abroad for abortions, it’s not just an urban phenomenon.

[Gman]

It is, women should have that choice themselves…

[maroonandwhite]

And the unborn kids that get killed, they cant shout back i suppose

[Gman]

Maybe so, but I’d reckon it would still favour the no. Keep things as they are, why change etc. P

[Gman]

dont, just dont!

[gilgamboa]

@Gman

but you’ve made a fair leap of assumption there and put words in his mouth that are nothing at all like he said. You are one of few that can actually debate this without screaming like a raving lunatic, so making a point like that seemed out of character.

Thats what i thought as well. Starting to think hes on the wind up. I tried the reasonableness approach it didn’t work so I will leave this thread.

[maroonandwhite]

You went there first bro

[gilgamboa]

@maroonandwhite

He said above it was purely bad law because it was associated with the church.

You say associated with here. You said it was grounded in Catholic heritage previously which is where I commented. It is you have shifted the goalposts

[maroonandwhite]

You said yesterday you didn’t support abortion on demand where no risk after 12 weeks, ie you do believe in some protection for unborn children, ie the church law you today decried as bad law. Can you not see the contradiction?

[Sidney]

I’m on record all through as saying it’ll be 50-49. Couldn’t call it at this stage.

Sean O’Rourke’s performance on a debate this morning was an absolute disgrace. Katie Ascough spouted a torrent of lies including the guff about foetuses being able to yawn and the supposed “regret” women feel after abortion, and O’Rourke didn’t pull her up on one.

Pat Kenny, to be fair, has been a lot better during this campaign than O’Rourke, who has been fucking woeful all through it.

Kenny destroyed Ascough when she was on his programme last month. She’s an absolute bullshitter who only has pre-prepared lines and can’t think when challenged. O’Rourke was prepared to allow her shout them (and that was her tone of voice) without interruption. Shocking moderation.

[maroonandwhite]

@gilgamboa

You say associated with here. You said it was grounded in Catholic heritage previously which is where I commented. It is you have shifted the goalposts

So you are fine if its associated with, but abhor if its grounded in… Thats just splitting hairs based on language

[gilgamboa]

@maroonandwhite

So you are fine if its associated with, but abhor if its grounded in… Thats just splitting hairs based on language

Your whole argument is splitting hairs based on language. You attributed my willingness to abort an 8.5 month old baby from an incorrect intepretation of my comments.

You said yesterday that the 8th is grounded in catholic heritage. Today it’s only associated with itm if you cant see the difference you’re at nothing

[Matty_Hislop]

@Sidney

Sean O’Rourke’s performance on a debate this morning was an absolute disgrace.

Isn’t O’Rourke’s son involved with the Iona crowd?

[maroonandwhite]

I didn’t incorrectly interpret them, i went 8.5 months to illustrate the contradiction whereby yesterday you didn’t support abortion on demand past a certain date. I dont see a huge difference in saying something is grounded in or associated with in this case

[gilgamboa]

Find where I said I support abortion on demand.