You are right there. If you take out the extremists on both sides, there is a massive middle ground there and the fact that the powers that be will only legislate if the act is repealed means that a huge amount t of people will be uncomfortable with voting yes.
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Not sure what you mean here? In order to have power to legislate the article thatâs currently in the Constitution (the eight amendment) must be repealed.
The government canât legislate or introduce an Act that is contrary to the anything in the Constitution. The Constitution trumps legislation.
But if the act is repealed , it is no longer in the constitution, correct?
Ok Matty, you have made that point already. Are you normally in the habit of repeating everything, have you dementia?
What point?
Correct. But to clarify and not being smart here: an Act is legislation. Parliament, the government, writes and introduces legislation/Acts, eg the Companies Acts, Criminal Justice Acts etc.
The Constitution is the higher source of law. Generally it contains the high level principles and the legislation the government introduces contains the details.
At the moment the Constitution contains an article (article 40.3.3, the eight amendment) which guarantees the right to life of the unborn. As long as thatâs there the government canât legislate for abortion. So that needs to be gone before the government can legislate.
As I said, the Constitution is supposed to contain the high level principles and it can only be changed by referendum. Because of this itâs not suitable to have complex rules in the Constitution. Any Act or piece of legislation can run to hundreds of pages to pin down all the rules on an area. You canât have that in the Constitution. Also, if you introduced a law to the Constitution and then found a mistake with it youâd have to have a referendum to fix it.
So really, if weâre to change the law here, in whatever direction, you have to get rid of the 8th amendment and allow the government to legislate.
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You made the point that I was angry twice in recent posts. I have refuted what you say regardless of whether you accept that or not.
Batt and family, including the mother of a down syndrome child, will be voting no.
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Thatâs fair enough. I just think that the proposed legislation ( 12 weeks unrestriced) makes an awful lot of people in the middle uncomfortable
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It might. But in fairness to government here (and I hate the Fine Gael cunts) they have to be clear and tell people what they will do if repeal wins. To give them their credit, theyâve been very clear what they will do so people know what they are voting for or against.
Leo is our first leader since Lemass.
Just listening to a vox pop here on newstalk and at the moment itâs about 3 to 1 in favour of keeping the 8th.
However for some reason most of the people being asked are men
You told us already how the family would be voting.
You need to show some compassion to living people Batt, youâve got a disgracefully ignorant attitude towards traveller children and homosexuals.
You are typical of the hypocrisy demonstrated by the pro-birth fanatics.
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Donât be too hard on him I think he has mentioned on here before that he has a bit of dementia.
The women are inside cooking the dinner for mothers day
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You should post that in the âthings that are rightâ thread
An awful lot of men feel the need to control women, and thatâs fact.
They do. Particularly the dolies
The fanatics on either side will not decide this. I think most of the âplain people of Irelandâ are annoyed by the extremists on either side and their cuntish antics. I think most people think there has to be some change in the law because our current situation is inhumane but I would give the no side a huge chance because they get to muddy the water with thin edge of the wedge shit and outlandish similar claims and that will screen people into voting no.
With regard to travelers, they can live next door to me for all I care as long as they live according to the recognised norms of society. Instead, they want to have all the benefits with none of the responsibilities. They want me to bow to their culture while they look down their noses at the likes of me and want me to pay for their lifestyles. I have seen it all my life, give them an inch and they take a mile. Never happy.
I am not alone with being fed up of the gay thing. Every fucking place you look there is a âprideâ flag. Every time you watch a chat show its covering gay issues. Every second presenter on RTE these days is either gay or lesbian and every other day they add a letter to the LBGT moniker. Lately its âIâ for âintersexâ, last week it was âQâ for âqueerâ, tomorrow itâll be something else. Our children are confused enough already. Iâm looking forward to the day when someone can be introduced to me without having to be told of their sexual allegiances.
I have said more than one time there are circumstances where the termination of a pregnancy is necessary to save the life of a mother, just that there are not 190,000 of such circumstances every year.
190,000 abortions in Ireland a year? The Irish would go extinct in no time.