Abortion - Yay or Nay? Labane and Sid talk American politics, Codegreen ponders on the cost

@Watchyourtoes

It’s notoriously difficult to secure a rape conviction.

It’s even more notoriously difficult to secure a rape conviction within, say, 20 weeks, it’s pretty much unheard of.

So let’s say an alleged rape, as opposed to a convicted rape, is taken as grounds for abortion.

What happens if that allegation is later dismissed?

Should that abortion then be considered to have been murder?

Should any?

i never claimed to know what the views of “the poor people” are. You seem to know best though. the debate around this referendum is going to be a load of self important cunts on both sides preaching to the masses. If whats being suggested up to 12 weeks is put forward I would expect it to pass. There will be lots of people trying to put themselves at the forefront of the campaign and make a name for themselves. Same as with every referendum.

Answer the question.

Unlike Religion Atheism gives you the freedom of morals and your own thoughts,each individual is unique and doesn’t need a set of rules or guidelines to have your own opinion on a subject.That’s the beauty of it to me.

Exactly, pal.

Choice is an individuals right.

Exactly,plural.

Choice is not an individual’s right in certain circumstances

In terms of how they treat their own body?

Well hopefully no one gets to choose to kill unborn babies.

You were talking about someone’s right to choose their religious beliefs a second ago, that is nothing to do with how they treat their own body

Should a man have equal say in whether the mother of their child breast feeds that child?

Serious question to those who believe the man should have equal say to the woman as regards what happens to the foetus.

As a wise man once said,

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Not the same thing at all

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@Sidney If a God does exist id say you would drive him demented! :joy:

Sure you want them dead. What you on about now? Some of us want them to live and have a chance.

A baby cannot happen without a man and a woman. But only the woman can breastfeed the baby.

A foetus cannot happen without a man and a woman. But only the woman can carry that foetus.

I’d say the right of who should have what say over what happens is about equal each circumstance.

ie. The woman should have the complete right to do what she wants equally in both.

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The decision to breastfeed a baby or not is not comparable to the decision of whether an unborn baby has a life or not. That’s pretty clear

What’s wrong with abortion up to 12 weeks?

It’s great to see lads feel so strongly about a decision they’ll never have to make. But here’s the thing, no matter what way the vote goes abortion is not stopping. We will just continue to outsource it to some where else and have women who can afford it travel in fear and in secret and come home to no support… Do you not think we also have a care of duty to our women?