Abortion - Yay or Nay? Labane and Sid talk American politics, Codegreen ponders on the cost

Labane, perhaps belatedly realising which way the wind was blowing and that he had got things entirely wrong, has fallen on his e-sword, but his much thicker and even more insufferable mini-me is still fighting the fight of the fool.

Some things never change.

Was convinced there was a turning point with the most recent Texas one.

Guess they need a bigger slaughter.

Given that Sandy Hook wasn’t a turning point, why on earth would you have thought the Uvalde shooting would be?

Can’t see that going well. Army rolls in, game over. Republican lunatics can do whatever they want then.

Am i correct in saying that states such as Massachusetts, Illinois, New York and California, and indeed any state, are not precluded from legislating for abortion?

Yesterday’s ruling removes the federally mandated constitutional protection of Roe, but does not debar states from legislating as they see fit?

Exactly. It now goes back to each individual state to decide through their own local legislature.

What’s more democratic than that - each state deciding for themselves through people who have been voted in themselves by the citizens of each state.

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States enact laws that infringe on people’s rights all the time. That’s why democracies generally have human rights and or constitutional rights enshrined in laws that governments can’t break and why we have separation of powers.

The Federal government is redundant and always has been, the sheer size of America means state law should always take precedence.

A lot of people all over the world need protection from loons, USA no different,
Lunatics taking over the asylum in the name of God, embarrassing

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“States’ rights”, the old slavery ideology.

As it was then, it is now.

Rights for women though? Nah, forget it.

The “right of states” to legislate for abortion will last about five minutes.

No hope of finding consensus in a country of three hundred million people.

Rural Kentucky v downtown LA are worlds apart.

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@glasagusban

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May as well be West Clare and the South of France.

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Correct. That’s democracy in action. If the people don’t like the vibe vote in different legislators. Like you said, New York and Mississippi are worlds apart, one law fir all makes no sense. States rights is true democracy. All politics is local after all

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Oh I don’t disagree. I think they are on a path to a potential civil war.

That would some up America alright …killing eachother over a right to life …

There’s been lots of articles about it in recent years. Most suggest it’s the right/republicans/headbangers that go off on it. Not much comes of it as the army is agin them. Your scenario is a lot more scary.

They were never hysterical in the first place.

Their opponents and gaslighters, including several self loathing middle aged creeps on this forum, sure were.

Anti-abortionism has a long record of murder and terrorism in the US, and elsewhere.