Alex Ferguson Managerial Career Discussion thread

I weep at your inability to understand the English language.

I’ve stated, numerous times, that Pogba was not a £100m player at the time. He was an uncontracted youth player who was influenced by his agent into demanding a first team place (on the title winning team) at the age of 19 rather than allow Ferguson to phase him into the first team the next season. Ferguson called the agent out on this and refused to be dictated to.

It’s not complicated and should be easy to understand.

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Still doesn’t make it anything other than shit business though.

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How many full games did you see at their age group?

England had Steve Peters, who’s also worked with Liverpool, at this tournament - he’s seen as one of the best in the business, perhaps the best.

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You keep going on about this but the fact is that Ferguson let a £100m pound player go for nothing, without a battle, while playing diddies in his place.

You seem keen to absolve Ferguson of any blame in letting a £100m player walk away for nothing, why?

You are a fool.

It turned out that way but to say it wasn’t justified at the time would be insane.

You only have to look at Ravel Morrison in the same youth team to see how quickly things can go to shit for a good player at youth level.

Januzaj had bags of potential at the same age and United backed him but he hasn’t developed the way they would have liked. Those are the chances you take.

A sports psychiatrist who has worked with British Cycling and England football team and wrote the forum favourite the chimp paradox

No I said that Ferguson didn’t let Pogba walk away, Pogba chose to on the advice of his agent.

Ferguson chose not to deal with Pogba’s agent, the then agent of a 19-year-old youth player who seemed to have a good future ahead of him.

Similarly United backed Januzaj, a then youth player that seemed ready to set the world on fire, and his development has since stalled.

Those are the chances you take.

Loads, they show them on MUTV pal.

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That’s a clamping.

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Your point?

And he completely failed anyway.

Fergie, or any manager worth his salt, wouldn’t allow himself to be dictated to by an unproven 19 year old, albeit a potentially talented one.

Pogba wanted it all immediately and wasn’t patient enough to stay and fight for his place, which he’d have earned within the next year or two anyway. United did everything to make him stay but he chose to move on. It happens. United went on to win title number 20 so it turned out OK all things considered.

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You’re some fool.

Your posts are blatantly contradictory.

Pogba walked away because Ferguson refused to deal with his agent? That makes no sense at all, you’d have to really dumb or warped in a doe-eyed love of purple nose and beholden to his reputation to come up with such nonsense.

We have two scenarios:

a) Pogba was a star and Ferguson could see it but out of principle and stubbornness (due to his demands and his agent) he froze a £100m midfielder out of the team and let him leave for nothing
b) Pogba was a star and Ferguson didn’t see it, he didn’t think he was worth the money and as a result he wasn’t going to be held to ransom by a teenager and his agent, in doing so he froze a £100m midfielder out of the club and let him leave for nothing

There’s no getting away from the fact that if Ferguson had managed Pogba correctly, he would not have left and United would have had a star on their hands - unfortunately for you, Ferguson’s dreadful handling of Pogba is something you want to pretend never happened.

It’s not just in England where medical/preparation staff are disregarded by managers.

Guardiola does it, Barcelona never rest their main players (which likely led to their meltdown in March and April this year), nor is Cristiano Ronaldo ever rested.

As I’ve said before however, I think England seriously erred in not giving their players at least a week’s rest after May 15th before bringing them into camp for the Euros.

Yes and United are now 4 years without a title, still feeling the damage of Ferguson’s legacy and Pogba is about to become the most expensive player in the world.

Ferguson got it horrendously wrong in regards to Pogba. Some people just need to accept that rather than deny it.

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You completely generalised about English football neglecting mental preparation. I pointed out that they used the best sports psychologist in the business, which makes utter shit of your “point”.

Nope it’s not as black and white as that. You really can’t see the wood for the trees.

@Rocko are you still banning lads for needlessly spamming the board? Check out the last 150 odd posts on this thread about Jose Mourinho. It seems like you could make it up.

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Clearly you can’t see the wood from the tree when it comes to Ferguson, you are like the doe-eyed 10 year old.

Pirlo

“I have played with some great young players, but Pogba was the best young player I have ever seen," he said.

“We saw from his first training session with Juventus that he was special. There was a disbelief among the senior players that Manchester United had allowed him to leave.

“Since then he has grown physically and as a player. For me he is now the most complete central midfield player in the world.”

Clearly Pogba was ready. Ferguson was WRONG.

I’ve been critical of Ferguson throughout my support of United over last 30 years. I’m not beyond wondering at some of his decisions.

Not this one though. Far from one of my biases tie allowing your hatred of Ferguson to see what actually happened.