All-Ireland Hurling Championship 2019 II*** Up Laois

Think our backs are collectively a little below what’s needed at this level. That said, wouldn’t dispute that another midfielder or forward of genuine quality would go amiss either.

McGovern and O’Keeffe faded out a bit near the end. There must be something in the theory that a style requiring so many high intensity runs/sprints hurts you eventually. Not sure who was meant to be picking up Noel McGrath in the latter stages.

I think it’s a harsh to make such a definitive assessment on Joe O’Connor. Granted it didn’t go well for him yesterday, but he’s just out of U21, was outstanding against Dublin and Galway at that grade last year and missed pretty much the entire league with injury. Presume he was “flying in training” over the past few weeks to get pitched in yesterday but it’s too early to write him off.

O’Keefe had very little impact in the second half and was anonymous in the last 20 minutes given the damage and space he created in the first half.

I guess he did get a dig in the stomach which seemed to knock the wind out of his sails too.

Wexford should be moving heaven and earth to keep Davy. A mini bus should be hired this morning if necessary.

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Clare had a similar bitter defeat last year and haven’t kicked on

Waterford didn’t kick on after 2017

Dublin never kicked on after 2013

The psychological toll of such a defeat for a county that doesn’t traditionally get much success, and is doing well to compete as it is with a thin panel, can be significant

It’s even worse if you’re playing an attritional style dependent on high intensity running , and even worse if your manager is travelling the breadth of the country to train the team

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It’s not as if he has a day job to go with it.

The backs are pretty much fine save for SD. Wexford should have won yesterday and the resultant AIF would have been 50:50.

If JO’C makes a good intercounty hurler, I know nothing about hurling.

The ‘fade out’… Economy is the founding principle of efficiency. Tipp were more economical in the finish. And Wexford lost needless midfield possessions, crucial midfield possessiona, via silly short passes. If you play with a full forward line high up the field, you always have an out ball on the beat. This facet is all the more important when bodies tire in the last 10m.

No amount of bullshine from Davek McFitzack will change these truths.

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Maybe he posts here

I don’t know what Davy does day to day but I presume he’s still living in Clare?

Didn’t the Wexford players have to go as a group to his house last year to try and persuade him to give it another year?

Yes, but he is in essence a professional manager, it is one of his man sources of income. He also has a token role on the payroll in LIT but no longer trains their Fitzgibbon cup team. He has a few other ventures like fittest families and a pub out the back of Sixmilebridge which is mother runs for him.

He will be open to a return to Wexford as long as the terms suit or there are no other suitors.

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Only one team in the last 19 seasons has scored five goals in an All-Ireland final and it was managed by Davy Fitzgerald

Only one team in the last 13 All-Ireland semi-finals has scored four goals and it was managed by Derek McGrath

This also rings true for Limerick on Saturday evening. The full backline was Kilkenny’s weakest line yet they were unable to deviate from their gameplan to actually go and put it under pressure and left them off the hook completely. Leaving Gillane isolated inside with Kilkenny filling the space he wanted to run into and not having a direct option played into Kilkenny’s hands.

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Are you advocating that if Tipp leave Forde, McGrath and Callanan in on that KK fullback line that they’ll get 2 cuts of silage off Kilkenny’s weakest line

I would think it could be very similar to the yield they got in 2016

Clare were blessed to be in the 2018 semi final. Derek McGrath ruined Waterford.

They will have to shuffle their hand to find a way of playing Bubbles inside. He was a disaster on the half forward line. The “tackle” he put in on Sean Murphy for the first Wexford goal was embarrassing.

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Very true. Kilkenny totally shutdown hannon, lynch and brynes. Limericks best distributors. It was invariably wod, Casey or English left unmarked on the ball.

This was obvious pretty early on. Padraig Walsh as the free man was standing alone on a wing which in isolation looked ridiculous. But they clearly had their homework done on the kind of runs Gillane likes and Walsh was taking that space from those runs by finding open space to stand in, even if it looked strange.

Clare won three of their four games in Munster last year and had a comfortable quarter-final victory so were in no way “blessed” to be in a semi-final

Derek McGrath built that Waterford team and that team has collapsed without him

Are Kilkenny “blessed” to be in an All-Ireland final this year given they had a run of three games in which they only drew one, and won their semi-final by a point?

Are Tipperary blessed given they were five points down and a man down yesterday?

Were Limerick “blessed” given they were six points down against Cork last year and their goalkeeper had to pull out a ridiculous interception when they were a point down in injury time?

It’s amazing how so many self identified “hurling men” are full of miserable begrudgery, isn’t it

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This is a valid point and along with @fenwaypark’s one about the big three dominating. The big three are best suited to bounce back year on year.

I would expect Limerick to be a consistent force for the next few years similar to Galway 2014 to 2018 and be there abouts. Cork need 3 or 4 years but they have a fine side in the making.

I don’t expect the other counties outside the big three to go back to the doldrums simply due to the structures and development squad approach meaning that it does not take an element of luck in having a exceptional group coming along together to be competitive at underage as it was in previous generations, but I think there will be an element of boom and bust to them over the next decade or so with a couple of relatively good years followed by disappointing seasons before bouncing back again.

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The Waterford team collapsed with Derek last year as well.