All-Ireland Hurling Championship 2019***

[backinatracksuit]

In the years that Galway had a bye into the semi they were at a huge disadvantage against the Munster or Leinster champions, there was a bit of a furore when poor old Limerick had to play a Cork team with a match under their belts a few weeks ago

[maroonandwhite]

@Gman

a counter argument would be the less games you play, the more chance you have of progressing.

Put it another way, in a knockout competition, would you rather chance your team starting out at the round of 32 stage or start at the semi finals? Surely by starting at the semi final stage you get an advantage of being fresher and only having to win 2 games rather than 5.

Obviously there is the counter argument that you are untested and dont have the cohesion or game play awareness by coming in cold. But if you had to chose which is the path most likely to bring you success, you’d say being thrown in at the tail end would be more likely to give you a shot of winning.

My whole argument is counter this, that’s what I’ve attempted to prove above, you just set out the opposite with your only evidence being ‘you’d say’

[anon78624367]

@maroonandwhite

A slight anomaly there as five of those finals were reached in a six year period, a very strong team to suit your argument, feel free to use any decade before

so when ye’ve a strong team ye win all irelands when ye haven’t ye don’t.
Regardless of the system or format.

You were saying only yesterday Limerick only beat ye because ye were exhausted from all the games last year and now you’re saying playing only 2 games wasn’t an advantage.

[maroonandwhite]

@backinatracksuit

In the years that Galway had a bye into the semi they were at a huge disadvantage against the Munster or Leinster champions, there was a bit of a furore when poor old Limerick had to play a Cork team with a match under their belts a few weeks ago

Oooft

[flattythehurdler]

@binkybarnes

I don’t think you can be that general. Going by this logic Limerick’s All Ireland last year has an asterix beside it even though they beat Tipp, Waterford, Cork, Kilkenny and Galway along the way. Meanwhile Galway’s 1988 All Ireland has no asterix beside it

Corrrrrect.

[anon7035031]

I see your math hasn’t improved since yesterday. The valid comparison is the period from 1980 and 2009 when Galway entered Leinster (putting them on a level playing field in terms of number of games with Munster and Leinster counties) and since then. So that record is 10 finals out of 29 years or 34.4% compared to 4 out of 10 since joining Leinster or 40%. So joining Leinster has helped Galway reach finals by that metric, with a harder route if some people here are to be believed.

Tadhg O’Connor argued that Tipp would have won a lot more All Irelands if there had been a back door from 1972 to 1987, as apparently a team that could hardly win a game in 15 years would get better if they were allowed another chance.

[maroonandwhite]

@the_man_himself

In the 10 years Galway participated in Munster from 1959 to 1969 they won 1 game out of 12 and never got near an All Ireland Final. In the following 28 years from 1969 to 1997 where they got straight into the semis Galway got to 9 All Ireland Finals, winning 3

I wasn’t at those games, neither were you of course, but my father was, uncles and others I’ve talked to and the consensus, albeit biased is that Galway were not welcome and officials referees et al were determined they didn’t emerge from Munster. That’s only conjecture but all I have. Based on the fact that they beat Munster counties semis that they didn’t in the Munster championship at least raises questions

[Watchyourtoes]

@maroonandwhite

@the_man_himself

In the 10 years Galway participated in Munster from 1959 to 1969 they won 1 game out of 12 and never got near an All Ireland Final. In the following 28 years from 1969 to 1997 where they got straight into the semis Galway got to 9 All Ireland Finals, winning 3

I wasn’t at those games, neither were you of course, but my father was, uncles and others I’ve talked to and the consensus, albeit biased is that Galway were not welcome and officials referees et al were determined they didn’t emerge from Munster. That’s only conjecture but all I have. Based on the fact that they beat Munster counties semis that they didn’t in the Munster championship at least raises questions

[binkybarnes]

@maroonandwhite

I wasn’t at those games, neither were you of course, but my father was, uncles and others I’ve talked to and the consensus, albeit biased is that Galway were not welcome and officials referees et al were determined they didn’t emerge from Munster. That’s only conjecture but all I have. Based on the fact that they beat Munster counties semis that they didn’t in the Munster championship at least raises questions

So we’re back to blaming referees again. Who would have thunk it?

[anon78624367]

where’s my math wrong dickhead?

[the_man_himself]

@maroonandwhite

I wasn’t at those games, neither were you of course, but my father was, uncles and others I’ve talked to and the consensus, albeit biased is that Galway were not welcome and officials referees et al were determined they didn’t emerge from Munster. That’s only conjecture but all I have. Based on the fact that they beat Munster counties semis that they didn’t in the Munster championship at least raises questions

Well you can’t argue with that

[Watchyourtoes]

@binkybarnes

@maroonandwhite

I wasn’t at those games, neither were you of course, but my father was, uncles and others I’ve talked to and the consensus, albeit biased is that Galway were not welcome and officials referees et al were determined they didn’t emerge from Munster. That’s only conjecture but all I have. Based on the fact that they beat Munster counties semis that they didn’t in the Munster championship at least raises questions

So we’re back to blaming referees again. Who would have thunk it?

Me Daddy and me Uncles told me we were black guarded by those Munster bastards for a decade! Priceless.

[maroonandwhite]

@anon78624367

so when ye’ve a strong team ye win all irelands when ye haven’t ye don’t.
Regardless of the system or format.

You were saying only yesterday Limerick only beat ye because ye were exhausted from all the games last year and now you’re saying playing only 2 games wasn’t an advantage.

You’ve a way of very simplistically projecting your opinions as if I made them.

We were exhausted last year (you had huge difficulty counting the games) and overall long term more games are an advantage. That isn’t either side of the same argument as last year was an anomaly with two replays late in the season.

[Gman]

its funny that you say the only evidence I put forward is “I’d say” and then come out with a whole load of guff about referees making sure Galway wouldnt win when they were in Munster. Does debating only go one way with you?

My only point was if you were given a choice, would you take starting at the round of 32 or the round of 4? I couldnt be arsed going lookinng at Galways history, just throwing out a point that it can be seen both ways as an advantage and disadvantage.

[maroonandwhite]

@the_man_himself

Well you can’t argue with that

Well you can’t as you have no knowledge of the games. Neither do I. But how did Galway beat the same counties outside Munster on a level playing field in croke park they couldn’t beat in Munster a few years earlier?

[anon78624367]

ok so more games are better as long as ye’re good enough to win them, they are spaced out evenly, the ref is pro Galway.

Am I missing anything else?

[Julio_Geordio]

Does your analysis allow for the fact that Galway were shit for a lot of that time period?

[anon78624367]

@Gman

Does debating only go one way with you?

[the_man_himself]

1959: Waterford 7-11 Galway 0-8

1960: Waterford 9-8 Galway 4-8

1961: Galway 2-13 Clare 0-8

1961: Tipperary 7-12 Galway 5-6

1962: Limerick 2-13 Galway 2-7

1963: Limerick 3-9 Galway 2-7

1964: Cork 4-14 Galway 2-7

1965: Clare 4-8 Galway 3-10 (match played in Pearse Stadium, would you believe!)

1966: Waterford 2-16 Galway 1-9

1967: Clare 3-13 Galway 1-11

1968: Cork 3-15 Galway 1-6

1969: Cork 3-15 Galway 1-10

“It was the referees that fucked us over, son”

[Bandage]

This has gone exactly as I intended.