All-Ireland Hurling Championship 2019***

[Sidney]

@iron_mike

And in real terms what have they actually achieved. Bar Cregan in 94 and Bond in 98, I struggle to remember any other outside manager who has landed the holy grail.
Ok fast Eddie might be a little different but in real terms Davys track record is the best of the lot but he still hasn’t landed the big one outside of Clare.

Dermot Healy

Eugene McGee and John O’Mahony in football

Traditionally successful counties will usually have no shortage of internal candidates to manage their inter-county teams and even if there’s no obvious candidate there’s a pride factor there which stops them appointing non-natives - Cork, Tipperary and Kilkenny most obviously - John Meyler is from Wexford but is accepted as an internal appointment by Cork having been there so long and won an All-Ireland with them as a player

Emerging or traditionally also-ran counties, who find it very hard to win regardless of who is in charge, often need “a leg up” and usually don’t have the same depth of choice when it comes to good internal appointments of managers

Justin McCarthy and Len Gaynor with Clare, Gerald and Justin McCarthy with Waterford, Daly with Dublin, Davy with Wexford, a whole plethora of Offaly managers are obvious examples

A similar dynamic exists in football

Kildare and Leix with Mick O’Dwyer, Cunningham and McStay in Roscommon, John Maughan in Clare, Malachy O’Rourke in Monaghan, John O’Mahony in Leitrim, Liam Kearns in Limerick and Tipperary, Martin McHugh in Cavan, Paidi O’Se in Westmeath, Tommy Lyons with Offaly, Jason Ryan with Wexford, Charlie Mulgrew with Fermanagh

All those teams either won provincial titles or reached at least an All-Ireland semi-final

They didn’t win the All-Ireland not because their manager was an outsider, they didn’t win because they weren’t good enough, and all punched significantly above their real weight because they were well managed by those outsiders

The relative lack of non-native All-Ireland winning managers is down to nothing other than the traditionally successful counties having people available internally to manage their teams - they don’t have to shop around

No non-native has ever won either a football or rugby World Cup as a manager - but that isn’t because outside managers are shit, it’s because the dominant countries have always had an internal candidate to appoint precisely because they are dominant countries with a vast pool of knowledge about the game

[Malarkey]

@Sidney

It isn’t myself that’s displaying an ego here pal

I’m just displaying common sense rather than going for the big faux-intellectual rhetorical flourish in every post

Some of your posts here would do justice to Bono - evocative yet meaningless

For your information the “club arena” has been made steadily “weaker” for many years now in most counties because of the influence of inter-county set ups

Yet the inter-county arena is stronger than ever

My simple, common sense points about the ambition of the vast, vast majority of players at both senior and underage level not just in hurling or Gaelic football but in any field sport, have not been countered one whit by you

If lads who are good enough have no ambition to play in a successful inter-county set up, the reality is they’re small time in their attitude

A bit like yourself I suppose

You do not understand the concept ‘causality’. So everything you say is null and void. There is your intellectual impediment.

The temperamental impediment is even worse. You are a Stickie, an internationalist, a believer in everything must be perfect before anything can be significantly improved. You believe that any sport that is played internationally is better than Gaelic games. You are all assertion because you have never had an original idea in your life. Bono…? Secretly you suspect your own bad nature and erect a scaffolding of obvious rectitude, hiding in plain sight, so as avoid your own nature.

Basically, you are a cultural cringe, a believer that eating asparagus in December is stylish. You must imitate received taste, because you have no taste.

Above all, you believe in ‘sophistication’ – of being ‘sophisticated’, in contradistinction to the rednecks of East Galway and other benighted areas. But your kind of sophistication pivots on casting others as the grossest unsophisticates, because you do not possess the natural confidence to forge ahead regardless. You dream of writing for The Irish Times but never will, because your class is ten a farthing.

Glam racket, in the phrase.

[balbec]

It’s happened before. 1999-2015.

[balbec]

We are very good at under 8,9,10 and 11 apparently. But not a lot in the pipeline in the coming years.

[the_rattler]

Moneys not there for professionalism. No county loyalties either, players could line out for any team.

[Perez2017]

Sid, you live in Dublin. If you lived in rural Ireland club teams are valued much more highly than in the Dublin. Look at the attendance at Dublin club games, pitiful. Inter county games are great for a piss up and a day out but do they mean that much to real gaa supporters? I have my doubts. They attract day trippers as with any sport.

[the_man_himself]

Obviously the attendance is lower at club games. A club game could be between two teams from small villages.

[Bandage]

@Sidney

Denid Bastick went on into his mid 30s

The Dancing with the Stars man has literally just passed by me in pretend IRA territory on an electric scooter.

[myboyblue]

@Esso_Oil

@myboyblue

And I’m sure you do fear for what Tipperary might do to Laois, you snide condescending prick

I’d be advising Laois to lower the blade against Tipp but that would be like teaching your granny to suck eggs.

Once upon a time perhaps, but it wouldn’t be in the DNA of this team.

[myboyblue]

@Appendage

Eddie Brennan reckons he knew by what was said at the meeting that Laois were going to win.

Did they say that Dublin would be casual AF and miss a hape of handy point chances?

Meetings are by and large gash,

You rogue, I don’t believe he said that. What he said was, he felt the players were right, and up for it, which after doing 2 days on the beer a few days earlier was all he was looking for.

[Corksfinedtboy]

Bookies all wrong so? dismantled as rebels did to Limerick?50/ 50 game at best

[backinatracksuit]

If @anon61878697 was a betting man or indeed needed more money he’d make an absolute fortune on this match, it’s rare you’d see such a confident prediction

[anon61878697]

Which match is this mate? He’s on about Cork beating Limerick … you seem fairly certain yourself that Cork will beat KK - bullish even … Will you be putting a large wager on yourself?

[backinatracksuit]

He was talking about your prediction of Kilkenny dismantling Cork,
I may or may not have a bet

[anon61878697]

If you folly the timeline he was on about walking all over Limerick originally…

I’ve laid out my stance for the weekend’s game - Cork will beat them if it stays relatively open - better team and much more lethal pacey forwards ---- Get suckered into a battle tho and there will only be one winner — Cork’s back line still a worry. KK to sneak it.

[anon61878697]

Declan Dalton played a league game last night against Youghal — unusual ---- scored 4-9

[Perez2017]

Youghal are a joke, be down junior soon.

[anon61878697]

Where does that leave Dalton with Cork tho?

[flattythehurdler]

@Ashman

Picture the notional scene . The well play ballybrown 2 weeks before we meet cork in semi final . Game get a bit spicy . gillane has the closed pole of a Hurley worn off his ankle a few minutes later Cian Lynch is looking for three digits on claughaun field . Nah , ain’t gonna happen

In limerick it’s a possibility. In galway it’s a likelihood.

[anon70480284]

@Perez2017

Youghal are a joke, be down junior soon

Not if Bill Cooper has his way