yeah that’s the thing…KK halfback line will beat tipp half forward line under the high ball no doubt so they will press Gleeson to force him to puck long… I also think while Tipp midfield was great on Sunday Dan Kearney still played a lot of ball…unfortunately for him nearly every decision he made was wrong…KK’s main player is Richie Hogan and if he gets that much time he will not be as wasteful…that’s the two big advantages KK have over tipp and also I expect them to try to exploit Padraig maher’s inability to mark like Micheal fennelly did in a league game in nowlan park a few years ago…think he scored about 2-3 in first half off him…it should be a great final from a tactical point of view and the match ups…kilkenny will be doing everything to keep it tight and tipp will be doing everything to isolate KK defenders…
I think the final is going to be a repeat of the 2011 encounter when KK horsed Tipp out of it. Tipp played terribly on the day and their tactics were shocking. KK brought a physical approach with not too much hurling and Tipp were flattered by a 4 point margin. Actually David Herity being the main reason for such a close scoreline.
If he dropped another 2 stone he’d be the real deal
We’re now a junior club @Manuel Zelaya and yes it’s tough that we haven’t had a player on the senior panel for a while. Very good work went into the underage at the club around 10 years ago and we were winning or contesting in Roinn A 14’s - 21’s with the same bunch of players during that period. The club went up from Junior to Intermediate and got to a club All Ireland Junior around 4 years ago but are alais back down Junior again and didn’t get up last year. Nor will they this year by all accounts. It’s dog eat dog down there.
Two players on the minor panel this year, young McGrath starting and young McDowell on the subs. One player on the county intermediate team that did rap all this year. But there was serious work done on John Locke Park in the last couple of years and that can only draw in the youngsters to playing hurling and football.
[QUOTE=“theLockes, post: 1002925, member: 58”]We’re now a junior club @Manuel Zelaya and yes it’s tough that we haven’t had a player on the senior panel for a while. Very good work went into the underage at the club around 10 years ago and we were winning or contesting in Roinn A 14’s - 21’s with the same bunch of players during that period. The club went up from Junior to Intermediate and got to a club All Ireland Junior around 4 years ago but are alais back down Junior again and didn’t get up last year. Nor will they this year by all accounts. It’s dog eat dog down there.
Two players on the minor panel this year, young McGrath starting and young McDowell on the subs. One player on the county intermediate team that did rap all this year. But there was serious work done on John Locke Park in the last couple of years and that can only draw in the youngsters to playing hurling and football.[/QUOTE]
Definitely dog eat dog in Junior- nearly worse in the Intermediate though, Dunamaggin and Ballycallan both in relegation semi finals this year
Jesus are they? Must look up the standings. Would the KK gaa website be the best place to look?
Intermediate Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30975
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30977
Senior Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30969
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30967
Look at the Rower’s point difference. W4 L1. Some very tight games they are winning.
This is a bullshit argument. Post hoc ergo propter hoc nonsense.
CORK’S DEFEAT TO Tipperary on Sunday meant that for the third year in-a-row, the Munster hurling champions were dumped out in the All-Ireland semi-finals.
It represents a worrying trend for the Southern province. Cork themselves were the last Munster hurling champions to go on and win the All-Ireland back in 2005. Only twice since 2006 have the Munster champions actually gone on to play in the All-Ireland final.
Earlier this summer Cork looked on fire as they sealed the Munster title on the back of impressive victories over Waterford, Clare and Limerick. Yet, following a five-week break from action, Tipperary rolled into Croke Park having rediscovered their confidence and form.
Tipp completely lorded the proceedings on Sunday and Cork looked like a shadow of the side they were earlier in the summer. Granted there may have been more factors at play in Tipperary’s win, but nonetheless it’s clear that Munster champions are at a disadvantage when it comes to competing in the All-Ireland series.
It raises a number of interesting questions.
[SIZE=4]Is the five week break unfair on Munster champions?[/SIZE]
The biggest perceived disadvantage for the Munster champions is the five-week wait they face from the provincial final until the All-Ireland semi-finals.
During Cork’s five-week gap this year, Tipperary, having already turned the corner in a high-scoring win over Galway, were able to fine tune their performance with a convincing win over Offaly and an equally impressive defeat of Dublin.
While Cork sat idle, Tipp’s back six benefited from an extra couple of games together and they went from shipping 1-20 against the Faithful to conceding just 0-16 to the Dubs. Last week, Paddy Stapleton [U]spoke about how important[/U] that clean sheet against Dublin was for confidence and it showed against Cork, where they leaked just eight scores from play.
The momentum the qualifiers offer a team can’t be understated. It’s difficult to match the sharpness of a side who have played, and won, a couple of championship games since the last time you’ve played. Cork started slowly on Sunday, shot nine first half wides, and never recovered.
[SIZE=4]Are teams investing too much into winning Munster?[/SIZE]
It’s difficult for any team to peak twice in a year. In the recent past, the likes of Waterford (2010) and Limerick (2013) have performed heroics and won the Munster title in thrilling circumstances. On both those occasions, they were beaten by seven points in the semi-finals by the eventual All-Ireland champions – Tipperary and Clare respectively.
In three of the last six years, the Munster champions have been defeated by ten points or more in the All-Ireland semi-final. It’s entirely possible that the minefield that is Munster hurling takes too much out of the sides who win it and combined with the lengthy period of inactivity.
[SIZE=4]What are Kilkenny doing that Munster champions can’t?[/SIZE]
Kilkenny have regularly been making light of the long wait between the Leinster decider and All-Ireland semi-final, and have won more All-Ireland’s than anyone else, so what’s their recipe for success?
Granted, the Cats have had an easier path through Leinster in the past (particularly before the introduction of Galway and the rise of Dublin) meaning they could cruise through the province without a meaningful test. Yet they’ve competed in 10 of the last 13 National League finals, meaning their form isn’t exactly substandard in the Spring.
Under Brian Cody, Kilkenny have won 14 Leinster titles and failed to reach the All-Ireland final on just two occasions – in 2001 and 2005. Whether its the paucity of the challenge in Leinster or Kilkenny’s greatness as a team, the five-week gap doesn’t seem to be a problem for Cody’s men.
[SIZE=4]Is it time to bring back four quarter-finals ?[/SIZE]
It may well be time for a rethink on the benefits of the provincial champions progressing through to the All-Ireland semi finals. The reintroduction of four quarter-finals is an obvious alternative and certainly has its benefits.
While some may argue that placing the Leinster and Munster champions into last eight rather than last four devalues the provincial championships, all the advantage looks to be against the Munster champions under the current structure.
Shortening the waiting time for provincial winners would reduce the gap in momentum and sharpness that currently exists between them and qualifier teams.
The only time the provincial champions entered All-Ireland series at the quarter-finals stage was for a brief period between 2005-2007.
The result?
All three Munster champions progressed through to the semi-finals.
[QUOTE=“cluaindiuic, post: 1002959, member: 258”]This is a bullshit argument. Post hoc ergo propter hoc nonsense.
CORK’S DEFEAT TO Tipperary on Sunday meant that for the third year in-a-row, the Munster hurling champions were dumped out in the All-Ireland semi-finals.
It represents a worrying trend for the Southern province. Cork themselves were the last Munster hurling champions to go on and win the All-Ireland back in 2005. Only twice since 2006 have the Munster champions actually gone on to play in the All-Ireland final.
Earlier this summer Cork looked on fire as they sealed the Munster title on the back of impressive victories over Waterford, Clare and Limerick. Yet, following a five-week break from action, Tipperary rolled into Croke Park having rediscovered their confidence and form.
Tipp completely lorded the proceedings on Sunday and Cork looked like a shadow of the side they were earlier in the summer. Granted there may have been more factors at play in Tipperary’s win, but nonetheless it’s clear that Munster champions are at a disadvantage when it comes to competing in the All-Ireland series.
It raises a number of interesting questions.
[SIZE=4]Is the five week break unfair on Munster champions?[/SIZE]
The biggest perceived disadvantage for the Munster champions is the five-week wait they face from the provincial final until the All-Ireland semi-finals.
During Cork’s five-week gap this year, Tipperary, having already turned the corner in a high-scoring win over Galway, were able to fine tune their performance with a convincing win over Offaly and an equally impressive defeat of Dublin.
While Cork sat idle, Tipp’s back six benefited from an extra couple of games together and they went from shipping 1-20 against the Faithful to conceding just 0-16 to the Dubs. Last week, Paddy Stapleton [U]spoke about how important[/U] that clean sheet against Dublin was for confidence and it showed against Cork, where they leaked just eight scores from play.
The momentum the qualifiers offer a team can’t be understated. It’s difficult to match the sharpness of a side who have played, and won, a couple of championship games since the last time you’ve played. Cork started slowly on Sunday, shot nine first half wides, and never recovered.
[SIZE=4]Are teams investing too much into winning Munster?[/SIZE]
It’s difficult for any team to peak twice in a year. In the recent past, the likes of Waterford (2010) and Limerick (2013) have performed heroics and won the Munster title in thrilling circumstances. On both those occasions, they were beaten by seven points in the semi-finals by the eventual All-Ireland champions – Tipperary and Clare respectively.
In three of the last six years, the Munster champions have been defeated by ten points or more in the All-Ireland semi-final. It’s entirely possible that the minefield that is Munster hurling takes too much out of the sides who win it and combined with the lengthy period of inactivity.
[SIZE=4]What are Kilkenny doing that Munster champions can’t?[/SIZE]
Kilkenny have regularly been making light of the long wait between the Leinster decider and All-Ireland semi-final, and have won more All-Ireland’s than anyone else, so what’s their recipe for success?
Granted, the Cats have had an easier path through Leinster in the past (particularly before the introduction of Galway and the rise of Dublin) meaning they could cruise through the province without a meaningful test. Yet they’ve competed in 10 of the last 13 National League finals, meaning their form isn’t exactly substandard in the Spring.
Under Brian Cody, Kilkenny have won 14 Leinster titles and failed to reach the All-Ireland final on just two occasions – in 2001 and 2005. Whether its the paucity of the challenge in Leinster or Kilkenny’s greatness as a team, the five-week gap doesn’t seem to be a problem for Cody’s men.
[SIZE=4]Is it time to bring back four quarter-finals ?[/SIZE]
It may well be time for a rethink on the benefits of the provincial champions progressing through to the All-Ireland semi finals. The reintroduction of four quarter-finals is an obvious alternative and certainly has its benefits.
While some may argue that placing the Leinster and Munster champions into last eight rather than last four devalues the provincial championships, all the advantage looks to be against the Munster champions under the current structure.
Shortening the waiting time for provincial winners would reduce the gap in momentum and sharpness that currently exists between them and qualifier teams.
The only time the provincial champions entered All-Ireland series at the quarter-finals stage was for a brief period between 2005-2007.
The result?
All three Munster champions progressed through to the semi-finals.[/QUOTE]
KK people have funny accents,they can’t pronounce words or names properly at all.
[QUOTE=“cluaindiuic, post: 1002948, member: 258”]http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/
Intermediate Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30975
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30977
Senior Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30969
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30967
Look at the Rower’s point difference. W4 L1. Some very tight games they are winning.[/QUOTE]
Best news is Clara v Village in championship first round… One of them will be gone
Probably us. Some of the stories I’m hearing aren’t hugely positive.
Shame…
[QUOTE=“theLockes, post: 1002925, member: 58”]We’re now a junior club @Manuel Zelaya and yes it’s tough that we haven’t had a player on the senior panel for a while. Very good work went into the underage at the club around 10 years ago and we were winning or contesting in Roinn A 14’s - 21’s with the same bunch of players during that period. The club went up from Junior to Intermediate and got to a club All Ireland Junior around 4 years ago but are alais back down Junior again and didn’t get up last year. Nor will they this year by all accounts. It’s dog eat dog down there.
Two players on the minor panel this year, young McGrath starting and young McDowell on the subs. One player on the county intermediate team that did rap all this year. But there was serious work done on John Locke Park in the last couple of years and that can only draw in the youngsters to playing hurling and football.[/QUOTE]
The stripey men
:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=“cluaindiuic, post: 1002948, member: 258”]http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/
Intermediate Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30975
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30977
Senior Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30969
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30967
Look at the Rower’s point difference. W4 L1. Some very tight games they are winning.[/QUOTE]
Serious changing of the guard going on at inter anyway. Ballyragget thomastown and lisdowney not long up from junior… ballycallan And dunamaggin are only heading one way. . As are the fenians from senior .
[QUOTE=“cluaindiuic, post: 1002959, member: 258”]This is a bullshit argument. Post hoc ergo propter hoc nonsense.
CORK’S DEFEAT TO Tipperary on Sunday meant that for the third year in-a-row, the Munster hurling champions were dumped out in the All-Ireland semi-finals.
It represents a worrying trend for the Southern province. Cork themselves were the last Munster hurling champions to go on and win the All-Ireland back in 2005. Only twice since 2006 have the Munster champions actually gone on to play in the All-Ireland final.
Earlier this summer Cork looked on fire as they sealed the Munster title on the back of impressive victories over Waterford, Clare and Limerick. Yet, following a five-week break from action, Tipperary rolled into Croke Park having rediscovered their confidence and form.
Tipp completely lorded the proceedings on Sunday and Cork looked like a shadow of the side they were earlier in the summer. Granted there may have been more factors at play in Tipperary’s win, but nonetheless it’s clear that Munster champions are at a disadvantage when it comes to competing in the All-Ireland series.
It raises a number of interesting questions.
[SIZE=4]Is the five week break unfair on Munster champions?[/SIZE]
The biggest perceived disadvantage for the Munster champions is the five-week wait they face from the provincial final until the All-Ireland semi-finals.
During Cork’s five-week gap this year, Tipperary, having already turned the corner in a high-scoring win over Galway, were able to fine tune their performance with a convincing win over Offaly and an equally impressive defeat of Dublin.
While Cork sat idle, Tipp’s back six benefited from an extra couple of games together and they went from shipping 1-20 against the Faithful to conceding just 0-16 to the Dubs. Last week, Paddy Stapleton [U]spoke about how important[/U] that clean sheet against Dublin was for confidence and it showed against Cork, where they leaked just eight scores from play.
The momentum the qualifiers offer a team can’t be understated. It’s difficult to match the sharpness of a side who have played, and won, a couple of championship games since the last time you’ve played. Cork started slowly on Sunday, shot nine first half wides, and never recovered.
[SIZE=4]Are teams investing too much into winning Munster?[/SIZE]
It’s difficult for any team to peak twice in a year. In the recent past, the likes of Waterford (2010) and Limerick (2013) have performed heroics and won the Munster title in thrilling circumstances. On both those occasions, they were beaten by seven points in the semi-finals by the eventual All-Ireland champions – Tipperary and Clare respectively.
In three of the last six years, the Munster champions have been defeated by ten points or more in the All-Ireland semi-final. It’s entirely possible that the minefield that is Munster hurling takes too much out of the sides who win it and combined with the lengthy period of inactivity.
[SIZE=4]What are Kilkenny doing that Munster champions can’t?[/SIZE]
Kilkenny have regularly been making light of the long wait between the Leinster decider and All-Ireland semi-final, and have won more All-Ireland’s than anyone else, so what’s their recipe for success?
Granted, the Cats have had an easier path through Leinster in the past (particularly before the introduction of Galway and the rise of Dublin) meaning they could cruise through the province without a meaningful test. Yet they’ve competed in 10 of the last 13 National League finals, meaning their form isn’t exactly substandard in the Spring.
Under Brian Cody, Kilkenny have won 14 Leinster titles and failed to reach the All-Ireland final on just two occasions – in 2001 and 2005. Whether its the paucity of the challenge in Leinster or Kilkenny’s greatness as a team, the five-week gap doesn’t seem to be a problem for Cody’s men.
[SIZE=4]Is it time to bring back four quarter-finals ?[/SIZE]
It may well be time for a rethink on the benefits of the provincial champions progressing through to the All-Ireland semi finals. The reintroduction of four quarter-finals is an obvious alternative and certainly has its benefits.
While some may argue that placing the Leinster and Munster champions into last eight rather than last four devalues the provincial championships, all the advantage looks to be against the Munster champions under the current structure.
Shortening the waiting time for provincial winners would reduce the gap in momentum and sharpness that currently exists between them and qualifier teams.
The only time the provincial champions entered All-Ireland series at the quarter-finals stage was for a brief period between 2005-2007.
The result?
All three Munster champions progressed through to the semi-finals.[/QUOTE]
What a really fucking stupid article. The paragraph about what are Kilkenny doing that Minster Champions Cant? just states a number of facts and says nothing about what they’re actually doing. They’re managed better than any team and Munster champions don’t seem to be able to do this. This is poorly written we’re from Munster and we want to have it both ways bullshit. Either have an open draw with no provincial finals, or fuck off with your whinging.
The tables are a real mix up from the norm.
Johnstown and Tullaroan look in serious trouble, I’d say Danesfort would have too much for both.
The intermediate is all over the place, there’s hope yet!
The Lockes play Kilmacow in Mullinavat this Sunday in the South Junior semi final at 1pm. Might rock up for a gawk.
How is the feeling in your adopted club about the hurling tomorrow night Lockes. I assume you’ll be heading up?
I’d say we’ll be in a bit of bother. Always hard to beat the same team in championship twice in the same year.
[QUOTE=“Turenne, post: 1003226, member: 232”]How is the feeling in your adopted club about the hurling tomorrow night Lockes. I assume you’ll be heading up?
I’d say we’ll be in a bit of bother. Always hard to beat the same team in championship twice in the same year.[/QUOTE]
Out of that loop @Turenne
[QUOTE=“cluaindiuic, post: 1002948, member: 258”]http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/
Intermediate Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30975
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30977
Senior Tables
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30969
http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/fixtures?compID=30967
Look at the Rower’s point difference. W4 L1. Some very tight games they are winning.[/QUOTE]
Be very interesting to see how Rower go Championship time(October for them now) - Coming off the Intermediate All-Ireland and winning tight games I would suggest is a sign of momentum and spirit more so than the consistence of the required hurling at senior level. Can see the lay off doing them a big disservice, having said that an auto quarter final place would have been grabbed with both hands in April.