Arise, Sir Boris

TheBlackSpot · July 25, 2019, 4:30pm

Well I was reading somewhere that the Polish economy is exceeding all expectations. Don’t know anything about Estonia. The German economy is struggling a bit which is fairly worrying for the EU as they’re the real engine. How much of a drag would the unification of Germany have been over the last 20 odd years?

TheBlackSpot · July 25, 2019, 4:31pm

That’s the Brexit party I think.

Tim_Riggins · July 25, 2019, 4:32pm

So you were reading somewhere but are absolutely sure that they’re a failure of the EU?

German reunification is nearly 30 years ago now, not the 2004 expansion.

TheBlackSpot · July 25, 2019, 4:37pm

Jeez, where did I say that?

Sidney · July 25, 2019, 5:02pm

If you’d said Dublin success in the All-Ireland football championship is dead, that would have been more credible

Sidney · July 25, 2019, 5:05pm

Tim_Riggins:

I’m tired of reading Zero Hedge readers putting out this apocalyptic nonsense, which they have been for years.

Zero clue on the difference between the EU and the Eurozone. Look at what the UK actually negotiated with the EU. Strip out the bollix on the backstop and future payments. They need to stay as close to the Single Market and Customs Union as possible. Brexit is a grand experiment in delusion, not because of people said they could leave these things. But because people like yourself in that post said the EU would fold and the UK would get whatever they wanted. What they wanted was the cream that the EU offers and it ultimately doesn’t come free. The Brexiteers have gone from claiming they would get what they want to invoking the Blitz spirit and saying it won’t be that bad. I can at least give some credit to a Brexiteer economist like Patrick Minford. He admits that the world is going global and that Brexit is to him a speeding up of the process of the UK flushing out uncompetitive industries, like car production. However that was not the tale people were told.

I agree with this except I’d never give any credit to Minford on anything, he is a highly dangerous man

Zero Hedge is a quasi-conspiracist site, it’s no wonder @anon7035031 laps it up

Tim_Riggins · July 25, 2019, 5:13pm

Well you said you can’t integrate them.

The results economically have been quite good really.

Maybe it’s the whole migration crisis thing you’re talking about as a do gooder. Really Eastern European nations were absolutely correct in what they did then. That was an absolute failure of the EU and complete creep by Merkel on others sovereignty.

Ashman · July 25, 2019, 5:13pm

It isn’t half conspiracist enough given the cunts it is monitoring .

Tim_Riggins · July 25, 2019, 5:14pm

I’m not giving him credit.

I am saying that at least he was/is somewhat honest.

anon7035031 · July 25, 2019, 5:35pm

I should have said globalization as we have seen in for the past few decades is dead. Instead of being driven by political leadership and sensible agreements, it has been driven by the largest multinationals with politicians in their pockets (regardless of whether they are left, right or center). The results of said globalization are in plain view to anyone paying attention, it has made the rich richer and the non-rich poorer, the destruction of the middle class and upward mobility as jobs move from western countries to Asia, theft of technology and currency manipulation by China who obey no international laws, multinational exploiting tax havens to avoid paying tax, multinationals dictating political and economic policy, etc.

It has been a failure Tim, and has led directly to the rise of populism as the public have completely lost faith in traditional political parties and who can blame them.

Ambrose_McNulty · July 25, 2019, 5:43pm

There’s three different lads operating the @anon7035031 account.

Bisto · July 25, 2019, 5:45pm

How many do these muktinationals employ here? 230k? Average wage in multinational approx €50k… A lot of tax to be collected there alone…

Cicero_Dandi · July 25, 2019, 5:49pm

Is Labane spoofing again?

anon7035031 · July 25, 2019, 5:52pm

There’s nothing wrong with the Irish model, except for a bit of dodgy tax dealings, which are now resolved. Ireland is one of the best countries in Europe to do business in, and an excellent base for the European markets.

The major issue is the chase for lowest cost manufacturing (nobody is in Ireland for low cost manufacturing) which has had the knock on effect of technology being copied or stolen.

Sidney · July 25, 2019, 5:54pm

You’re the same guy who says the US economy is in freefall before saying “vroom vroom” about the US economy before saying that the system is in collapse before saying “capitalism is the greatest system in the world!!!” and “more tax cuts for the rich” before saying “free money for all” before saying “what the US needs is more of the same”

You don’t know your rectum from your elbow

Bisto · July 25, 2019, 5:57pm

How do you think the UK will fair in this regard as a base without having access to EU market? What will they replace it with?.. I think approx 6000 jobs have relocated here since brexit was announced .

Sidney · July 25, 2019, 5:57pm

Everything about the Irish economic model is based on globalisation

Yet you say globalisation is dead

Play the Benny Hill music

Sidney · July 25, 2019, 5:58pm

Morris dancing themed tourism

Tim_Riggins · July 25, 2019, 6:02pm

anon7035031:

I should have said globalization as we have seen in for the past few decades is dead. Instead of being driven by political leadership and sensible agreements, it has been driven by the largest multinationals with politicians in their pockets (regardless of whether they are left, right or center). The results of said globalization are in plain view to anyone paying attention, it has made the rich richer and the non-rich poorer, the destruction of the middle class and upward mobility as jobs move from western countries to Asia, theft of technology and currency manipulation by China who obey no international laws, multinational exploiting tax havens to avoid paying tax, multinationals dictating political and economic policy, etc.

It has been a failure Tim, and has led directly to the rise of populism as the public have completely lost faith in traditional political parties and who can blame them.

Except global extreme poverty is at a historic low.

Inequality, as we all know, is relative.

Wars have been historically started mostly due to the effort expand markets. Politicans and diplomats have actually stepped in in recent decades to stop that, hence the WTO. Hence the EU and any number of trade organisations.

I have a hard time seeing how this dovetails into the EU collapsing as you and others frequently predict. Your reasons change all the time (in one post it’s the PIGS that will leave it, in the others it’s the Northern nations sick and tired of them). The frequent criticism of the EU for Eurosceptics is actually that the EU constrains trade, that it stops multi nationals engaging in real substantive free trade. Of course multi nationals push for free trade, but businesses nearly always have been advocates of that, that is nothing new.

The EU absolutely has problems. The Eurozone is structurally imbalanced. But the evidence of EU “failure” and impending collapse does not hold up to scrutiny.

Bisto · July 25, 2019, 6:06pm

If anything does the the EU 450 million population and the lack of chance of wars breaking out in the region not give them great negotiation power to do trade deals?..