Arise, Sir Boris

[Tim_Riggins]

@anon7035031

If that’s the case, can one of the intelligent posters outline the hit Ireland would take from a hard Brexit and why?

Ireland exports $16 billion to the UK, the claim is that this would be at risk? Why? Will consumers in the UK stop buying Irish beef, butter, whiskey, Guinness, etc in favor of shit imitations from south America? They already have this choice by the way and choose Irish products, just as Americans have loads of choices and choose to buy $33 billion of Irish products. Maybe it has something to do with America having 30 million Irish Americans.

How many multinationals have already moved to Ireland from the UK and how many will move after a hard Brexit? What will be the impact on Ireland’s GDP?

My opinion is a hard Brexit would result in a small short term hit to Ireland’s economy and long term gain.

UK customers would see largescale declines in relative purchasing power.

That would impact on imports.

This isn’t a scare tactic. Look at what happened to the Mushroom Industry post the Brexit Vote.

Ireland, and Coveney et al, should be proud of what has been done post Breixt. There has been FINALLY been the move from UK reliance to a broader look at the EU market (which we had access to). But that doesn’t cover up realities.

[Tim_Riggins]

@Tank

The second referendum is the natural place for him to go because he’s no principles either way and it’s what Tony Blair and many others expect to happen.

I see a big problem that makes it impossible for him.

After he gets over the hurdle of managing to hold a second referendum without the hard-Brexiters turning on him he has to secretly conspire behind the scenes to help Remain win, all while publicly backing Leave. That’s easily achievable but that ultimately leaves him in the exact same position as David Cameron where he has backed the losing side in a referendum. How can be stay on as Prime Minister after that?

That is the refuge of all remoaners I guess. He will just gung ho into a Remoaners narrative.

Ideal for him was always the UK stays in the EU and he gets elected in the Tory party on enough credo for being anti Europe. He could have a good five year run at it with all the investment that is held up right now.

[Sidney]

I’m not sure how he could call another referendum with a straight face, on an issue he claims is settled, and then campaign for Leave again.

Even for him, that’s too much acrobatics.

He can really only call a referendum if he was to campaign publicly for Remain, and that isn’t going to happen.

[Tim_Riggins]

Depends.

No majority in Parliament.

Not willing to call Election.

What’s he to do?

[anon7035031]

@Tim_Riggins

UK customers would see largescale declines in relative purchasing power.

We’ll do the right thing and make sure the poor cunts don’t starve.

[Fagan_ODowd]

There won’t be another referendum.

[Tim_Riggins]

I can see a trickery hard Brexit, but a vote for one is hard to see. Equally hard is a negotiated deal.

[Sidney]

@Fagan_ODowd

There won’t be another referendum.

Not under a Tory government

To use a Kevin McStay line about the Kerry team of the 1980s as a matephor, the best hope is that Brexit will grow old and go away, with a second referendum under a Labour government eventually putting the puppy to sleep

It needs Johnson to fold and start accepting EU extensions for it to be possible

If that does happen, it’s a possibility

But Johnson has nothing to lose personally from a no deal Brexit, and lots to gain - and that is something to be really scared of

[Sidney]

A taste of what’s to come - Chloe Westley is a propagandist who fronts the US funded anarcho-capitalist astro-turf group “Taxpayers’ Alliance”, and a fascist promoter who should not be near the levers of power

The fingerprints of Steve Bannon and his ilk are all over this

Her appointment proves that Johnson is preparing for an all out war on truth

Alex Wickham (alexwickham)

Martin Baker (ytfcbadger)

Taxpayers' Alliance received over £223k in foreign donations

[POTUS]

Hi folks,

Good job in not replying to this gent on the U.S. thread.

Let’s follow the same approach here.

[Fitzy]

That De Gaulle quote you shared with us keeps coming front and centre everytime I think about brexit. How apt it was and is.

[Appendage]

That’s the really annoying thing. None of those pushing Brexit amongst the political classes have anything to lose personally from Brexit. So they push their imperialistic hatred risk free…

He’s lined up a right shower of cunts for his cabinet.

[Fagan_ODowd]

I suppose if you want an indicator of where Britain stands in the world today you only have to look at the insouciance with which Iran seized one of their ships.

[Sidney]

Tom Kibasi (TomKibasi)

[balbec]

They have no ships anymore

[Fagan_ODowd]

@balbec

They have no ships anymore

The Royal Navy has been reduced to a laughing stock.

[balbec]

The Dubliners song about “the Irish Navy” will be appropriate for them soon.

[Sidney]

Very Trump

Peter Jukes (peterjukes)

[Malarkey]

@Fagan_ODowd

@Malarkey

Leaving aside Brexit’s economic impact – almost undoubtedly negative (or severely negative) in the medium term, even according to froth-mouthed economists such as Andrew Lilico and Patrick Minford – there is one way in which Brexit is a chimera. Most likely, there is no longer a Leave majority, simply through demographics. Whatever the EU’s pros and cons, the likelihood is that Britain will no sooner be out – if exit does happen – than there will be a serious caucus for re-entry. What is the point of Brexit, in those terms – and demographics underpins all economics, as per China and India?

I suspect BJ will ultimately go for another vote. Nothing would suit him better than to have the issue gone. You can defend another vote as democracy in action, however galled the ERG might be.

The EU won’t let Britain back in for at least a couple of generations. They have fucked the EU around too much in the last 3 years and wasted too much time that could have been spent on other parts of the European project. Ultimately De Gaulle has been proved correct.

Yes, this belief is almost certainly correct – which is why a second referendum might be the ‘best way’ of breaking the logjam.

[Malarkey]

@Tank

The second referendum is the natural place for him to go because he’s no principles either way and it’s what Tony Blair and many others expect to happen.

I see a big problem that makes it impossible for him.

After he gets over the hurdle of managing to hold a second referendum without the hard-Brexiters turning on him he has to secretly conspire behind the scenes to help Remain win, all while publicly backing Leave. That’s easily achievable but that ultimately leaves him in the exact same position as David Cameron where he has backed the losing side in a referendum. How can be stay on as Prime Minister after that?

I take your point about grave difficulties but wonder about the second point. Of course, getting a second referendum afloat would take a mighty heave, one difficult to achieve in quite a few ways. But I reckon BJ would not have “to secretly conspire”, in a second vote, with Remain. He does the Leave schtick and observes into what the cookie crumbles. I think most people feel Remain, while far from a foregone conclusion, would win, guillotining the issue for at least a generation.

If Leave won again, people would have to suck up the result. The scenario becomes No Deal or – far more likely, with the DUP no longer pivotal – a border down the Irish Sea. There now appears to be a loose consensus that Theresa May’s deal minus the backstop is the preferred way forward, because there appears to be a majority in Parliament for its passage. This consensus is a remarkable enough alteration, since this deal (or some slightly diluted version of it) still leaves the UK effectively in the EU, with Brexiteer lurgies untouched.