BREXIT thread

I don’t see them taking the deal. It seems that the ability of some mps to wind down the clock and force them to crash out has been underestimated. The mechanics of organising a second referendum are so difficult that now I think no Deal is more likely.

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I’d say this has been the game for a significant number of Tory MPs from day one.

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It certainly seems so. And quite possibly more than are happy to state it publicly.

England will join Mauritania, Western Sahara, South Sudan, Somalia, Mongolia, Iran and Iraq as countries who are not in a trading bloc.

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Wow. That is fucking mental. Start tweeting that shit @glasagusban

The UK should apply to join NAFTA making it the North Atlantic FTA, and join in the fight against China. It would be close to a $30 trillion trading block, twice the size of the remaining EU, and the UK has far more in common with the US in terms of regulations, labor laws etc.

Fight against china?

Yes mate, fight to protect IP and stop IP theft.

A second Chinese national was arrested at Apple headquarters today, about to board a plane to China. Had thousands of confidential files and photographs on his PC. Time to get serious, the US will, the EU won’t.

Ah are you serious? The US are the biggest Internet interventionists on the planet … and it’s not for the common good. Edward Snowden demonstrated the hypocrisy and duplicity ofthe US. A country which has interfered in multiple ways (political, economical, cyberspace) in more countries (effecting regime change multiple times) throughout the world in the last 50 years than any other whinges when some other power seeks to do anything similar.

It really would be funny if Putin had put his man in the White House!

Nothing to do with what I said, which was protection of IP. The US has had many misguided foreign interventions, and Iraq was criminal, but on balance protecting capitalism as the preferred economic system is worth defending. Anti-US sentiment from Europe is hilarious, given how western Europe has benefited enormously from US largesse, unless you’ve forgotten about the Marshall plan where $100 billion in today’s $ was donated, or the funding of NATO by the US.

Clearly you would prefer to be be ruled by the Chinese or Russia so no point engaging really.

You are mad

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Now don’t project on to me.

When you’re the subject of imperial rule does it really matter which empire rules you?

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Yes, I would say it matters. Obviously there’s a difference between the system of government, economic system, etc. between the US, China and Russia. One is committed to free market economics (not doing as well as it should due to political corruption), individual liberty, equality of opportunity, human rights, etc. Not perfect by any means but surely preferred to the alternative?

I am correct mate, and you know it. I know you love to give credit to the Russians, but how much did they contribute to the rebuilding of western Europe after WWII?

I wonder does it ever occur to the Brits that the only reason they were on the winning side in the war was because they were part of a large multi-national bloc, while Germany lost because they ended up on their own?

Germany seems to have learned this lesson very well, some others, well, less so.

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Seriously? If you really believe that you are incredibly naive. Just take “human rights”. If I said Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo would that mean anything to you and that is but scratching the surface of a putrid state.

Abu Ghraib was a disgrace and contrary to US and International law. Eleven soldiers were convicted and several did prison time. Maybe not enough were held accountable, but to suggest this type of activity is typical of the US in wartime is not credible.

I wouldn’t condone torture unless it is purely defensive to prevent the death of innocents. If it is morally justifiable to kill someone to prevent them killing innocents, it is morally justified to torture them to accomplish the same (whereabouts of a bomb for example). Guantanamo should have been shut down long ago, but is still preferable to assassination by drone imo.

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Why not join the rest of the world in the fight against climate change as opposed to stymieing them? Surely that’s a more important fight than protecting the rights of megarich companies to make more money?

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Can you imagine the joy of negotiating a post Brexit trade deal with the tans? The bang of desperation off them will be hideous. A deal, any deal, they’ll sign anything just to show some results from this clusterfuck.