BREXIT thread

[Malarkey]

@Sidney

Putin must be laughing while all this unfolds.

Whatever happens, he stands to gain. All this is very definitely “Operation Chaos” - chaos has been the one key aim of all this Russian meddling. Who the fuck knows where it all leads.

The true triumph for Putin is that there seems to be no way of it that doesn’t lead to chaos or mass anger.

Farage, Banks, Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Bannon, Trump, Salvini, Orban, Le Pen etc. are all connected in some way to Russia.

It’s not one giant conspiracy, it doesn’t mean they’re all Russian agents per se, but there are loads of different conspiracies of overlapping interests where the interests of cranks and crackpots ally with Putin - disaster capitalism, anti-immigration, anti-environmentalism, anti-abortionism, authoritarian geopolitics, all of them connected, and all of them benefitting from mass disinformation, and the modern media environment which makes it easy to disseminate such.

The UK media, bar an odd feature in the Guardian or on Channel 4 News, have been a bloody disgrace.

The meddling in their democracy by Russia and their British collaborators should be front and centre, yet Cadwalladr and the C4 reports on Banks and Cambridge Analytica and Aggregate IQ etc. have been effectively pissing in the wind.

Putin doesn’t have to deal with the consequences of any of this.

The anti-EU crypto-fascists, who might have to deal with the consequences, are all “hold me back” merchants. We saw that in Boris Johnson’s reaction on referendum night, and their washing their hands of the impossible negotiations they caused. Revoking Article 50 would mean they no longer have to deal with the consequences of their insanity, but could instead spin a narrative of a “glorious future denied”. Heroic failure.

In this case, Johnson would be a shoo-in for next Tory leader.

But I’d take my chances with Article 50 being revoked over the alternative if the alternative is no deal, because the consequences of no deal will be catastrophic - and a narrative will still be spun where those who caused it escape blame - the conditions might be ripe for the far right to thrive if Article 50 is revoked, but they’ll be even riper under no deal.

All true, in my view.

[Tim_Riggins]

Mogg is not stupid. There is a laundry list of far thicker people in Cabinet currently and before. His greatest strength is on tv. He does get a relatively easy time in the media but watch him, he consistently pulls back interviews to two indispensable facts; that Leave won the 2016 Referendum and that the Tory manifesto pledged to leave the EU and also the Single Market and Customs Union.

Mogg is outside of Cabinet because of the ERG and it giving them a buffer. The likes of Rabb, Davies and Johnson have taken a huge hit from Cabinet involvement.

Speaking of Boris, in comparison he is a complete buffoon who regularly comes unstuck. He blags his way through life.

[Piles_Hussain]

No deal off the table by 4 votes

[iron_mike]

Brexit is dead lads.

[Tim_Riggins]

4 votes in it there.

Will be interesting when it comes to the crunch and if the same margin swings it the other way. if only there were votes that could swing it.

[iron_mike]

@Piles_Hussain

No deal off the table by 4 votes

The only reason the majority is so tight is that the Tories were whipped. They have a free vote for the senior match but this is definitely a surprise.

[Tassotti]

Brexit means Brexit

[Lazarus]

@Tassotti

Brexit means Brexit

British parliamentary democracy is on trial here

[iron_mike]

Will Mays proposal be voted on now?

[iron_mike]

Whose this plank on bbc news?

[Piles_Hussain]

Malthouse battered by 210

[Tim_Riggins]

Cabinet minister abstained and ignored the whip

[Tassotti]

The tans are a laughing stock

[iron_mike]

Farage on Bbc news now

[cluaindiuic]

So they voted for the ammendment, which now replaces May’s vote, which they’ll now vote against. Is that right?

[Tim_Riggins]

Could be a few ministers fired soon.

[cluaindiuic]

Amber Rudd abstained says Sky News.

[anon61878697]

@cluaindiuic

So they voted for the ammendment, which now replaces May’s vote, which they’ll now vote against. Is that right?

[cluaindiuic]

It passed again! Wow!

[anon61878697]

What? I’m watching the footie…What passed?