Thatās from a sample of 23 games?
Are you aware of how Joe Hart has been perceived by the last 5 clubs he has played for?
Yes. A sample of 23 games that I watched him in. He has been almost peerless in his ineptitude.
He may come good somewhere else but he has had lots of chances at Celtic and continues to look woefully inadequate.
Your dislike of Hart is completely clouding your judgement on Barkas.
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If Hart comes and works miracles heāll be forever deemed a failure because the line has been drawn
Itās absolutely not. Itās an utterly terrible move.
Our judgement on Barkas is on 23 games he has played, we unquestionably have a problem with our goalkeeping position but you seem to be living in some fantasy land when it comes to Joe Hart.
He has been an utter laughing stock. He got slaughtered by the Torino president for his performances in Italy, had the second most goalkeeping mistakes that season, had a horror spell at West Ham, followed up by another horror spell at Burnley and then spent the past season on the Spurs bench.
And youāre trying to spin the past 4 seasons of Hart as something better than Barkas when itās worse. Thereās a longer body of evidence.
Looking forward to having Scott Bain back in goal in November after a series of these:
You also try and pass off the utter incompetence of the Celtic board with a defence of their rationale. This is as bad a transfer as is possible. When you have a problem and you try and the fix will result in a bigger problem then thatās scandalous.
Let us not forget after the Copehagen defeat about 18 months ago you were here telling us not to worry, Lennon was the right man and everything was hunky dory.
I donāt want Bain, Barkas or Hart.
I definitely think we need a new keeper. Barkas had a clean slate from Ange and cost us against Midget Land at home and followed up with a pitiful effort against West Ham in the subsequent friendly. He looks like a player whose nerve has gone. His confidence is totally shot and heās causing panic to infuse through an already makeshift side. I think itās fair enough to move on from him. I canāt actually recall him making a positive difference in any game since joining. He hasnāt had many outright howlers, but heās not commanding and he doesnāt make important saves. Thereās been any number of goals where you thinkā¦Barkas could have done better there. I couldnāt tell you what his strengths as a keeper are meant to be.
We could surely do better than Hart though. The fee and wages outlay combined is quite high for SPL.
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Youāre rambling all over the place here.
Barkas has been brutal. You would have infinitely more credibility if you admitted that instead of pretending itās somehow debatable.
Youāre the one rambling in a desperate attempt to make this Hart deal seem like a good one.
Iām not denying Barkas has been brutal, thereās a sample of 23 games to make that judgement on.
You however do seem to be denying Joe Hart has been brutal for a significant number of years now and you seem to be trying to spin this reality into some sort of positive. As @Bandage said itās a significant outlay for a past mid 30s keeper who has been chased out of 5 successive clubs in a short space of time and has no other interested parties.
There is no logic to this transfer, surely we should be looking to add a decent keeper to a problem position rather than another error prone keeper who might actually be a bigger bomb scare than the pair of clowns there now? Apparently making that point triggers you as does any sort of valid criticism of our board.
Iām not denying anything about Hart. Youāre simply not reading my posts.
Iād prefer we got someone else. Iām not ruling out that thereās a chance heāll be ok though.
And Iām not so blind that Iām pretending Barkas has been hard done by or hasnāt been anything other than a complete failure.
Eh. Iāve read your defences of Hart and of this transfer. Are you imagining the contents of your posts are saying different.
What I have said is that I have no issue with us buying a new keeper, I think we need one. I just think the notion that Hart is a better option than the pair of clowns we have in goal and will imrpove us is preposterous. This has triggered massive defences of both Joe Hart and the transfer from you.
You said we havenāt overpaid for Joe Hart? A goalkeeper in his mid 30s that nobody wants, chased out of 5 different clubs and giving him a 3 year deal. Itās insanity.
Here you are supporting the deal. As you tend to do with any board decision, smugly telling us we were all overreacting about Lennon and the board after Copenhagen. You do remember how that worked out? Some of us know and thereās a pattern with you in dismissing any criticism and it turning out to be completely valid. If Hart throws a few in the net early doors will you admit you were badly wrong about this deal? On what metric is he a ābig upgradeā?
Hart is an appalling option. We need a goalkeeper who will improve, Joe Hart is not that goalkeeper so why are you defending the move.
You were on here defending Dermot Desmond a few days ago. You really are the cheerleader of incompetence and mediocrity.
Calm down. I donāt like to see you getting so worked up.
Now, now. Keep deflecting.
Youāre on record defending the signing of Hart, youāre on record telling people here they were overreacting about the board and Lennon after Copenhagen, you went out to bat for Desmond during the week.
And when it all blows up in your face you will deny you were on that side.
Hart is a horrific goalkeeper but clearly you think itās a good signing, youāll be badly wrong as you were before, will you have the humility to hold your hands up and admit it? Not a hope.
Youāve defended the transfer policy so far. You are the ultimate Celtic PLC lickspittle.
Hart was woeful for the season he was with West Ham. But I hear heās good around the dressing room and Pep always brings him up as an example of a great player for Man City from yesteryear.
This idea of Joe Hart being chased from 5 different clubs is a fair spin to put on things. There was talk on here of Darren Randolph, a sub keeper at West Ham, being brought in. Randolph is on Ā£40k a week.
Do you think Hart in his prime was of a good enough level to play for Celtic?
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Itās not spin. Who tried to keep him. Birmingham didnāt, Torino ditched him after an awful loan spell where he was slated by the Chairman, West Ham sent him packing after an awful loan spell. Burnley released him after a season after a shocking spell and Spurs have demoted him to 3rd choice. He hasnāt played a league game for 3 years.
Listen, itās around this time last year you were telling us Ivan Toney was a dud and Ajeti was a far better signing. Have you addressed that one yet?
Itās a forum! Everything is āon the record.ā
I will say it one final time for those who donāt comprehend.
I think we could probably do better than Hart. I have a more pessimistic opinion than others of just what sort of quality player can be attracted to playing in Scotland. I donāt think weāre overpaying for him, certainly not by much anyway.
I think Bain and Barkas have been so bad that a mediocre keeper can be a significant upgrade.
I havenāt seen Hart play recently, like everyone. I recall Forster and Gordon joining Celtic with no form and having not played in a long time. Both got their confidence back and were well worth the investment. A similar transformation for Hart is not inevitable but it is possible.
Your opinion that Hard canāt or wonāt improve is valid but itās just an opinion. Your opinion that Barkas hasnāt had long enough to prove himself incapable is ridiculous.
None of that means the board have done well. Theyāre mostly irrelevant in this. I donāt think Barkas was a poor signing at the time. But he has been awful and a horrible waste of money unfortunately.
Hart isnāt a mediocre keeper. Heās every bit as bad if not worse than the other two clowns, have you paid any attention to his career?
My opinion on Barkas is that we need a new goalkeeper but at the same time we were very quick to ditch him. 23 games is not a lot of football and he was managed atrociously badly by Lennon last season.
My opinion is that Hart is no better than that pair of dumplings. You think heās a good signing. The again you think the criticism of Lennon was an overreaction 18 months ago, you defended Lawwell and the clubās transfer policy to the hilt time and time again, you went out to bat for Desmond this week. You happen to be a consistent supporter of the Celtic board as they lead the club into one crisis after another.
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I also think Randolph is infinitely better than Hart is right now. Infinitely. I think there are better keepers in the SPL than Hart. The guy is stone fucking useless and liable to do something crazy at any second. His goalkeepings stats are incredibly bad.
Pre match memo for every team playing Celtic:
Take long range shots
Shoot to Hartās bottom left.
He was on loan at Birmingham, won their player of the season award, and was voted onto the PFA team of the year at the end of his season there, are you sure you are thinking straight?
He was also 1st choice keeper for his spell at Torino when they finished mid table in Serie A. Torino couldnāt afford to keep him as he was on over Ā£100k a week then, I wouldnt pay much attention to what an Italian club chairman might say.
Barkas
SPL
Played: 15
Clean sheets: 8
Conceded: 9
CL Qualifiers:
Played: 3
Clean sheets: 1
Conceded: 3
EL Qualifiers:
Played: 2
Clean sheets: 2
Conceded: 0
EL
Played: 2
Clean Sheets: 0
Conceded 7
Total
Played: 22
Clean Sheets: 11
Conceded: 19
Bain
SPL:
Played: 19
Clean sheets: 7
Conceded: 20
CL Qualifying:
Played: 1
Clean sheets: 0
Conceded: 2
EL:
Played: 3
Clean sheets: 0
Conceded: 10
Total:
Played: 23
Clean sheets: 7
Conceded: 32
I think itās easy figure out which keeper is worse there.
Mail are reporting that McCarthy has signed (on a 4 year deal).
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