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Hopefully we wont have to endure Paul Collins or Hector doing the jackass. Given that there is no curtain raiser, that duo will hardly be be required to fill in the gap. I am surprised no one has commented on jack ass carry on of Hector last Sunday while Waterford were in middle of their lap of honour. Rather than leave the crowd and the Waterford minors enjoy their lap of honour and take centre stage , Hector came on the big screen braying like an ass trying to be funny with the Rock and Seanie Mac. He proceeded to organise some retarded joke of a game where he, the Rock and Seanie Mac pucked a big sponge ball into the crowd. It was not remotely funny or interesting
It was the height of disrespect - Waterfordâs lap of honour upstaged by Hector acting the jackass. What were the GAA thinking?
We died in the last 10 minutes on Sunday, as we did against Wexford. We were lucky to get a draw for a finish.
In my opinion that game will stand to us and if we perform at all the next day weâll finish the job.
We had a few players who didnât perform as Wtb pointed out
[quote=âkerry1891, post: 829625, member: 1379â]Hopefully we wont have to endure Paul Collins or Hector doing the jackass. Given that there is no curtain raiser, that duo will hardly be be required to fill in the gap. I am surprised no one has commented on jack ass carry on of Hector last Sunday while Waterford were in middle of their lap of honour. Rather than leave the crowd and the Waterford minors enjoy their lap of honour and take centre stage , Hector came on the big screen braying like an ass trying to be funny with the Rock and Seanie Mac. He proceeded to organise some retarded joke of a game where he, the Rock and Seanie Mac pucked a big sponge ball into the crowd. It was not remotely funny or interesting
It was the height of disrespect - Waterfordâs lap of honour upstaged by Hector acting the jackass. What were the GAA thinking?[/quote]
Ah sit down and shut up!!!
[quote=âWatch The Break, post: 829484, member: 260â]Cork have the edge physically or in general?
If I was a Cork fan Iâd be more worried about the sharpness of their hurling than anything else. Coming into the game, the general attitude was that Cork had played a much faster game against Dublin and had showed better fundamentals in that game than Clare had against Limerick. But really it was Clareâs hurling that was far better on the day whereas Cork looked to be struggling with the intensity of the Clare pressure.
On the other hand, they were still extremely efficient with their chances which doesnât suggest that the heads werenât right. I donât think theyâd have had the composure to hit only three wides and work goal chances when they needed them if it was a case of mental collapse.
Tactically the puckout is the centre-piece for the replay. Cork got 15 points against Dublin in the first half and only 16 in total against Clare in large part because of the difference in the effectiveness of the puckout. We would not have expected to dominate in the air as we did and we would have seen a huge risk in facing the Cork puckout without a sweeping defender behind the break.
That threat never really materialised because with the exception of Kearney, no Cork player was beating his opponent to the break on those occasions the ball did go through the line. Similarly the puckouts with a lower trajectory only rarely found the hands of Harnedy or Cronin at least in part because thatâs a very difficult puckout to consistently execute.
Cork will have two main ways of reacting to this the next day. They gamble on Ryan and Bugler not being as effective in the air again, and on Clare not being so much sharper on the breaks again. Or they focus on finding backs with the puckout, drawing the Clare midfield in and creating space in front of their half-forward line to make that low trajectory ball less of a risk.
Success in any respect would require them to hurl much better than they did in Sunday and thatâs the real question. If Cork donât show improvement on that fundamental technical level then tactically itâs going to be difficult to change anything. No tactics can make up for fumbling the ball under pressure or being beaten to breaks. If they do improve, then theyâve every reason to be confident as they just scored 3-16 while not hurling that well at all.
Personally I donât know how much improvement is there or even if Cork under-performing is the right way to read it. Limerick looked very similar to Cork against Clare but were probably denied the goals because of the presence of the sweeper. Similarly they saw themselves as not having turned up and their bigger names were regarded as having under-performed. I donât really believe thatâs entirely accurate, nor is it entirely plausible that Cork and Limerick both under-performed in such similar ways. But I guess time will tell. With such fine margins it doesnât take a whole lot of movement either way to dramatically change the outcome.[/quote]
Very good post. Iâd agree with pretty much all of it but add the point that I think Clare handled the day so much better it was a massive factor. Most of those cork players in the main had fcuk all experience of playing in AI finals where a lot of Clare lads had experienced 21s finals etc.
Watching corks warm up I though their touch and sharpness was noticeably inferior to what it had been against Dublin. They came out few mins earlier than Clare after ht and split into threes to puck around and some of the control and striking was shocking. Putting a lot of it down to nerves. Excellent example in the game when Nash put ball straight at Kearney who fumbled it, tried to pick it and failed to get it up into his hand. He was replaced immediately. Iâd hope that Cork will look at it and take an attitude that they have gotten a free shot at an AI now because we should have been bate out the gate on Sunday we hurled so bad in the first half.
[quote=âThumper, post: 829571, member: 2305â]Galway donât have the spread of scoring players that Clare seem to have at the moment. Obviously Canning is some ace to have though.
Iâm not sure Clare need to score goals. 25 points is plenty. Defense is an issue though and one I feel can be rectified. Do Cork need to get goals?
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That was the very FIRST time in championship history I believe that cork have conceded 25 points (Donal Og RT the stat on twitter). Wouldnât be banking on 25 pts again the next day! Similarly I doubt cork will get three goals again!
[quote=âdancarter, post: 829774, member: 122â]Very good post. Iâd agree with pretty much all of it but add the point that I think Clare handled the day so much better it was a massive factor. Most of those cork players in the main had fcuk all experience of playing in AI finals where a lot of Clare lads had experienced 21s finals etc.
Watching corks warm up I though their touch and sharpness was noticeably inferior to what it had been against Dublin. They came out few mins earlier than Clare after ht and split into threes to puck around and some of the control and striking was shocking. Putting a lot of it down to nerves. Excellent example in the game when Nash put ball straight at Kearney who fumbled it, tried to pick it and failed to get it up into his hand. He was replaced immediately. Iâd hope that Cork will look at it and take an attitude that they have gotten a free shot at an AI now because we should have been bate out the gate on Sunday we hurled so bad in the first half.[/quote]
Theyâll be expecting the intensity Clare brought the next day and will have a real understanding of what that pressure is really like. That should help. But whether or not they can execute a gameplan in the face of that pressure remains to be seen.
As I said, Clare donât need goals. Stopping them was the problem.
I think Enda McEvoy hit the nail on the head in his article today when he said that Clare need goals to bury teams more than anything else. A grenade amidst the hail of bullets was how he put it. Heâs right. Clare are well capable of amassing huge points tallies, but the problem against Cork was not demoralising and burying them when we were on top.
A goal midway through that second half would have won the game for us. Had we pushed it out to a seven or eight point it would have been extremely difficult for Cork to generate the momentum to come back at us.
[quote=âWatch The Break, post: 830066, member: 260â]I think Enda McEvoy hit the nail on the head in his article today when he said that Clare need goals to bury teams more than anything else. A grenade amidst the hail of bullets was how he put it. Heâs right. Clare are well capable of amassing huge points tallies, but the problem against Cork was not demoralising and burying them when we were on top.
A goal midway through that second half would have won the game for us. Had we pushed it out to a seven or eight point it would have been extremely difficult for Cork to generate the momentum to come back at us.[/quote]
Did ye miss two frees in succession when up five?
[quote=âkerry1891, post: 829625, member: 1379â]Hopefully we wont have to endure Paul Collins or Hector doing the jackass. Given that there is no curtain raiser, that duo will hardly be be required to fill in the gap. I am surprised no one has commented on jack ass carry on of Hector last Sunday while Waterford were in middle of their lap of honour. Rather than leave the crowd and the Waterford minors enjoy their lap of honour and take centre stage , Hector came on the big screen braying like an ass trying to be funny with the Rock and Seanie Mac. He proceeded to organise some retarded joke of a game where he, the Rock and Seanie Mac pucked a big sponge ball into the crowd. It was not remotely funny or interesting
It was the height of disrespect - Waterfordâs lap of honour upstaged by Hector acting the jackass. What were the GAA thinking?[/quote]
Never noticed the cunt to be honest. Too busy soaking up a great win.
[quote=âWatch The Break, post: 830066, member: 260â]I think Enda McEvoy hit the nail on the head in his article today when he said that Clare need goals to bury teams more than anything else. A grenade amidst the hail of bullets was how he put it. Heâs right. Clare are well capable of amassing huge points tallies, but the problem against Cork was not demoralising and burying them when we were on top.
A goal midway through that second half would have won the game for us. Had we pushed it out to a seven or eight point it would have been extremely difficult for Cork to generate the momentum to come back at us.[/quote]
Davy needs to be ruthless here and drop Honan and start McInerny. Itâs a fucking no brainer. He also needs to get more out of Conlon and get McGrath to show more composure on the ball
Were the celebrations better this time or last Fagan?
Limerick scored 27 points against them in 1996. Waterford scored 25 in 2004. Sure there are plenty more instances.
This time.
Sorry, individual points I.e. not 3:16
Sure what difference does that make. Thatâs a stupid fucking statistic.
Presume itâs to do with number of scores conceded
Well if you were a Clare person expecting to score 25 pts the next day with no goals to win the game itâs probably pretty relevant
The context of the discussion being around whether Clare will need a goal in the replay makes it fairly relevant Iâd have thought. Without being arsed checking though, I reckon they must have scored around 25 points in normal time alone in the league relegation playoff though, so nothing to say they canât reproduce it in the replay at all.