[quote=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 884929, member: 2272â]nothing wrong with it if it adds drama and excitement and creates a spectacle
will they ban keepers kicking 45s in football for âslowing the game downâ[/quote]
No but county mangers should ban the majority of them because they are so shit at it.
[quote=âFagan ODowd, post: 884896, member: 706â]No surprise that itâs the Clare crowd cheering on this rule change.
So itâs win win for Clare[/quote]
rather we had a goal keeper sho was actually able to score them from 20 yards and didn`t need to scuttle in to 13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkZDAhNn38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6pEvYGnpo
can`t understand the hysteria about nash myself. 2 out of 5 in the two matchs is hardly terrifying
All failure is failure to adapt, all success is successful adaptation
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As the GAA director of games development, Pat Daly told the Irish Independent:"Itâs now proposed to state clearly that the ball can be no closer than 20 metres from the goal-line when itâs struck. It will be up to the striker to decide how much further out he wants to place the ball in order to get momentum from tossing it forward but the strike must be made no closer than the 20-metre line.
Former goalkeeper Christy OâConnor joined us on the line to debate the issue with our own Diarmuid âGizzyâ Lyng.
âThereâs a couple of ways at looking at it. The reality is it is probably down to [Cork goalkeeper] Anthony Nash and heâs probably being punished for the power he has in his strike. If a shot like that hit somebody into the neck, theyâre effectively dead,â said OâConnor. "
But the other point of it is - and Nash made the point himself - this could possibly lead to more cynicism in that if guys go straight through on goals, maybe youâre better off to pull him down because he has less of a chance to score. But the reality is Joe Canning is the only comparable player to Nash who has that power. In one sense it is a safety issue but on the other side are you punishing Nash for his technique and his ability?"
Gizzy believes the new change means it will be nearly impossible for players to score penalties with more reaction time for goalkeepers.
The debate then touched on the issue of wearing cups in the GAA to protect playerâs appendages to borrow Gerâs term.
âIf [the sliothar] hits you in the wrong area, maybe forget about having a family down the line,â said OâConnor. âAlot of keepers donât wear the cup. Some of them just feel that itâs awkward. I got a belt when I was a minor in that area and it was probably the worst pain youâre ever going to experience. If that hits you in the neck - like a Nash bullet - you could literally be killed and thatâs where the GAA are coming from. There is a safety issue here.â
OâConnor and Gizzy also discussed the role of Congress when it comes to rule changes, how they are implemented and what happens if for example the black card fails in football which you can listen to via the podcast.[/quote]
Some serious scaremongering from Oâ Connor here. How many times have we had fellas die from a belt of a sliothar to the neck
Why is gaining six metres against the spirit of the game but gaining, say, three, not?
Itâs a skill, and throwing it up that far carries the risk of something going wrong with the lift, as happened to Nash late in the replay.
Agree with that. This rule is going to make it very difficult for players in practice though. Theyâll have to figure out how far back to bring the ball so they can still get a natural step into the strike -if a toe goes over the line has it to be retaken? A stride, or two, would be an easier rule I think, its easy to watch especially from a dead ball situation. Agree on not being within the spirit of the law, I always thought Nash was basically taking the piss myself. But the criticism that the rule as formulated will result in fewer goals is valid. Maybe combined with strictly enforcing that the keeper canât come off his line itâll work out even.
[quote=âSidney, post: 884941, member: 183â]Why is gaining six metres against the spirit of the game but gaining, say, three, not?
Itâs a skill, and throwing it up that far carries the risk of something going wrong with the lift, as happened to Nash late in the replay.[/quote]
Where did I say that throwing it up three metres wasnât against the spirit of the game?
As far as I know the last person in inter-county hurling who died as a result of getting a belt of a sliotar to the head area was Dublinâs Paul Mulhere after a league match against Laois in 1985 - I think he was struck in the face. Walked away afterwards and may even have finished the game but died that night.
Paul God rest him got a accidental belt of a hurley on the head in a league match against Laois in Croke Park in 1985.
+1
Iâm finding it hard to understand the knee-jerk reaction. @chewy louie is right in saying that the rule needed to be clarified but not to this extent.
You can continue to fuck yourself
[quote=âFran, post: 884947, member: 110â]+1
Iâm finding it hard to understand the knee-jerk reaction. @chewy louie is right in saying that the rule needed to be clarified but not to this extent.[/quote]
I wouldn;t have any real issue if they changed the rule and said that the lift has to be on the 20 and the strike can be anywhere there after and also cleared up whether players could step off the line or not but that was never going to be a runner as you would then be left a possible situation with lads rising the ball and throwing it up a good 15 metres and drop pucking from 5 metres out with the defenders stuck to the line or possibly a case were the free taker could end up being blocked down if defenders were allowed charge - granted they are more so in theory and may not be easy to do in reality but they would be permissable under the rules if they changed it to something along those lines.
Similar to a puck out or sideline cut they want the strike to be at the line as it is far easier to implement this across the board and removes the loopholes/ambiguity from the rules
Pat Critchley was the Laois player so you just knew it was accidental. Poor Pat, he recounts a terrible tale of the aftermath, it tore him to shreds.
[quote=âFran, post: 884947, member: 110â]+1
Iâm finding it hard to understand the knee-jerk reaction. @chewy louie is right in saying that the rule needed to be clarified but not to this extent.[/quote]
Yes because deeming the GAA the dumbest organisation in sport isnât knee-jerk either :rolleyes:
[quote=âchewy louie, post: 884949, member: 1137â]I wouldn;t have any real issue if they changed the rule and said that the lift has to be on the 20 and the strike can be anywhere there after and also cleared up whether players could step off the line or not but that was never going to be a runner as you would then be left a possible situation with lads rising the ball and throwing it up a good 15 metres and drop pucking from 5 metres out with the defenders stuck to the line or possibly a case were the free taker could end up being blocked down if defenders were allowed charge - granted they are more so in theory and may not be easy to do in reality but they would be permissable under the rules if they changed it to something along those lines.
Similar to a puck out or sideline cut they want the strike to be at the line as it is far easier to implement this across the board and removes the loopholes/ambiguity from the rules[/quote]
This is the obvious clarification to make.
I would allow defenders to charge out as well, once the striker has made initial contact with the ball, ie begun his lift.
If a defender can charge out it the free taker will tend to be more conservative in how many yards he throws it in front of himself.
none I know of thank god, but be honest, if you did get a belt from one of Nashâs pile drivers and it struck that area I wouldnât like to predict the outcome. Its only a matter of time before that happensâŚeven the commentars (Duignan) mentioned it was unsafe and something would have to be done. not something you would ever hear him them say.
It could still happened of course but if you look at the players trying to stop his shots itâs clear they have no idea where itâs at.
The 21m save in the AI final where it hit DoD stick and then the cross bar it was clear none of the players involved had any idea where the ball was including the player who blocked it. There is just no time to react and get out of the way due to the power he generate and the distance he shoots from. I donât think the rule would have been changed if there wasnât a safety aspect to it, and has been driven by Nashâs ability and power no doubt, so t is a rule thats been modified due to one player, but that style if it was allowed to continue would have be mimicked from here on. As people have said, DJ used to do something similar and Declan Ryan also perfected it (when he played with Clonoulty). The players are more skillful now, and can generate more power in their shots and its more dangerous
Donât think it will be a big issue at inter county but at youth grades and lower adult grades it will make it much more difficult to score for sure which will probably lead to another rule change down the line you would imagine
[quote=âKid Chocolate, post: 884959, member: 553â]none I know of thank god, but be honest, if you did get a belt from one of Nashâs pile drivers and it struck that area I wouldnât like to predict the outcome. Its only a matter of time before that happensâŚeven the commentars (Duignan) mentioned it was unsafe and something would have to be done. not something you would ever hear him them say.
It could still happened of course but if you look at the players trying to stop his shots itâs clear they have no idea where itâs at.
The 21m save in the AI final where it hit DoD stick and then the cross bar it was clear none of the players involved had any idea where the ball was including the player who blocked it. There is just no time to react and get out of the way due to the power he generate and the distance he shoots from. I donât think the rule would have been changed if there wasnât a safety aspect to it, and has been driven by Nashâs ability and power no doubt, so t is a rule thats been modified due to one player, but that style if it was allowed to continue would have be mimicked from here on. As people have said, DJ used to do something similar and Declan Ryan also perfected it (when he played with Clonoulty). The players are more skillful now, and can generate more power in their shots and its more dangerous
Donât think it will be a big issue at inter county but at youth grades and lower adult grades it will make it much more difficult to score for sure which will probably lead to another rule change down the line you would imagine[/quote]
I canât emphasize this enough. Fuck OFF you stupid thick cunt.
Pat Critchley is a thoroughly alright sort.
A player can still be struck in the nads with a ball from point blank range in normal play as well. from even shorter distances. Obviously the same venom wont be in the shot as Nash is unique in that regard but this is absolute bullshit from the powers that be in the GAA. The black card is going to be an abomination as well. Suiting stronger teams and clubs and indirectly leading to increased cynicism.
In fairness I can understand why the cork lads are so upset, the attempt to re-jig themselves back into div 1 blows up first and now they find out the same way as the rest of us, through the media , that theyâve finally lost control of the rule book as well