Brian Murphy starts 
No balance to that team. Especially in the forwards.
3 of that team haven’t hurled since league final or before, one of those only trained on Wednesday for first time in 4 weeks. One hasn’t played IC for 18 months or more.
They don’t have a lot of choice I suppose in defense, but the Conor O’ Sullivan thing now looks absolutely ridiculous. Will Kearney must really feel like shit as well.
Good I suppose that Cahalane gets to play somewhere natural to him.
Walsh half-back with O’Shea midfield would have been best imo, with Cahalane on the bench. Has to start O’Farrell unless he takes a punt on one of Coughlan/Moylan/Darren Mac as O’Sullivan was utter shite against Waterford.
Being honest that bench is awful. Collins and O’Shea the only lads you’d have faith in at this level.
[QUOTE=“Turenne, post: 1153899, member: 232”]Walsh half-back with O’Shea midfield would have been best imo, with Cahalane on the bench. Has to start O’Farrell unless he takes a punt on one of Coughlan/Moylan/Darren Mac as O’Sullivan was utter shite against Waterford.
Being honest that bench is awful. Collins and O’Shea the only lads you’d have faith in at this level.[/QUOTE]
Who’s O’Sullivan? Did you hear anything about a few of the Cork substitute forwards you have mentioned leaving the panel after Sunday’s game.
Coughlan and Moylan gone.
The bench is poor cos management have let good players go without any persuasion otherwise, or any foresight. S&C has a lot to answer for. By my estimation S&C made 120k out of this team already.
It’s a laughing stock now. Just have to wait to be beaten and get a new management in. Problem will be the CB again.
Fucking hell, what a mess.
Paudie Sul.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156730, member: 273”]Coughlan and Moylan gone.
The bench is poor cos management have let good players go without any persuasion otherwise, or any foresight. S&C has a lot to answer for. By my estimation S&C made 120k out of this team already.
It’s a laughing stock now. Just have to wait to be beaten and get a new management in. Problem will be the CB again.[/QUOTE]
is the S&C being done through the Mardyke?
Oh yeah, temporary mental block.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156730, member: 273”]Coughlan and Moylan gone.
The bench is poor cos management have let good players go without any persuasion otherwise, or any foresight. S&C has a lot to answer for. By my estimation S&C made 120k out of this team already.
It’s a laughing stock now. Just have to wait to be beaten and get a new management in. Problem will be the CB again.[/QUOTE]
Sorry mate, S+C?
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156730, member: 273”]Coughlan and Moylan gone.
The bench is poor cos management have let good players go without any persuasion otherwise, or any foresight. S&C has a lot to answer for. By my estimation S&C made 120k out of this team already.
It’s a laughing stock now. Just have to wait to be beaten and get a new management in. Problem will be the CB again.[/QUOTE]
I would be very surprised if Moylan has left the panel. He will get his chance now after Sunday.
With regard to other players, if a player demands a guaranteed starting position or he will leave the panel then you have to let him leave the panel albeit reluctantly. Conor O’Sullivan would have played if he had been less impatient and stayed on.
With regard to S+C it is arguable that their fitness has papered over lack of strength in depth, lack of a structured game plan to reach three AI semi finals, one AI final, 2 League finals and win Munster under current management.
They have a chance now to put in place a game plan which protects the defence and puts marquee players in position to hurt opposition. I think the defeat on Sunday means they have no choice but to make that decision and they fall on it as the last available alternative.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156755, member: 2272”]I would be very surprised if Moylan has left the panel. He will get his chance now after Sunday.
With regard to other players, if a player demands a guaranteed starting position or he will leave the panel then you have to let him leave the panel albeit reluctantly. Conor O’Sullivan would have played if he had been less impatient and stayed on.
With regard to S+C it is arguable that their fitness has papered over lack of strength in depth, lack of a structured game plan to reach three AI semi finals, one AI final, 2 League finals and win Munster under current management.
They have a chance now to put in place a game plan which protects the defence and puts marquee players in position to hurt opposition. I think the defeat on Sunday means they have no choice but to make that decision and they fall on it as the last available alternative.[/QUOTE]
I heard Moylan has gone too.
I could be on the bench yet for the qualifiers.
Strength and Conditioning
No, that’s what that bluffer will have raked in by the end of this season.
They don’t use any monitoring system as far as I know. The footballers do I think.
Have you used the Mardyke?
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156755, member: 2272”]I would be very surprised if Moylan has left the panel. He will get his chance now after Sunday.
With regard to other players, if a player demands a guaranteed starting position or he will leave the panel then you have to let him leave the panel albeit reluctantly. Conor O’Sullivan would have played if he had been less impatient and stayed on.
With regard to S+C it is arguable that their fitness has papered over lack of strength in depth, lack of a structured game plan to reach three AI semi finals, one AI final, 2 League finals and win Munster under current management.
They have a chance now to put in place a game plan which protects the defence and puts marquee players in position to hurt opposition. I think the defeat on Sunday means they have no choice but to make that decision and they fall on it as the last available alternative.[/QUOTE]
Their “fitness” has cost they a ridiculous amount of training hours per player as well as a lot of mild to severe injuries. Sometimes key men are making games, but they are nowhere near for. It’s an old GAA way that this management team still hang onto and every forward thinking person in the set up has left since.
The lack of (good periodized) strength training and short Accel/Decel training was a factor in the loss to Clare in '13. What you had then was a team playing for a legend and running on passion. But that ONLY works if you are particularly talented and usually comes home to roost at some point.
It’s fairly clear now S&C wa the difference between Cork & Clare. As usual it takes a few years for this to dawn on GAA people.
Clare’s fitness an injuries have gone to pot since, corks hurling and injuries the same.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156837, member: 273”]No, that’s what that bluffer will have raked in by the end of this season.
They don’t use any monitoring system as far as I know. The footballers do I think.
Have you used the Mardyke?[/QUOTE]
I’ve just had dealings with them in terms of S&C and other shit, and they seemed to be a very good outfit and had a very good plan in operation throughout a few intercounty teams and set ups for Cork. As you would guess, it was more on the football side of things, but I had thought they were involved in the hurling as well there. Most of my discussions with them would have been last year, and they were definitely doing some serious monitoring of teams and preparation through that at a few grades. From my own perspective, it was enviable of the resources to hand that they had there.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156838, member: 273”]Their “fitness” has cost they a ridiculous amount of training hours per player as well as a lot of mild to severe injuries. Sometimes key men are making games, but they are nowhere near for. It’s an old GAA way that this management team still hang onto and every forward thinking person in the set up has left since.
The lack of (good periodized) strength training and short Accel/Decel training was a factor in the loss to Clare in '13. What you had then was a team playing for a legend and running on passion. But that ONLY works if you are particularly talented and usually comes home to roost at some point.
It’s fairly clear now S&C wa the difference between Cork & Clare. As usual it takes a few years for this to dawn on GAA people.
Clare’s fitness an injuries have gone to pot since, corks hurling and injuries the same.[/QUOTE]
Are you saying Cunningham and Kingston left because of injuries to players and S+C. That is simply not true. Reasons Cunningham left are well documented. I predicted he would be exposed with Dublin and he has been badly exposed to extent 9 months into a three year term there are calls for him to be axed. Kingston left as he is working out of Ireland a lot this year. That as Benitez said is a fact. Kingston may well be the next manager if work permits. Hopefully he brings his son.
Injury record is as good or better than other teams - in last two years Dublin’s Kilkenny and O’Gara did cruciates. About a dozen other country players have done cruciates in that time. You were on about Joyce cruciate being S+C related. By your reasoning Dublin’s S+C is to blame for two cruciate injuries and is therefore not fit for purpose which is simply not true.
As for Clare - Cork, Clare were much better team on both days and Cork hung on from being able to run relentlessly and Nash penalties/frees.
I know you have an axe to grind re Cork’s S+C but what you are saying is wrong on any analysis of what has actually happened.
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Thing is it’s still reliant on management pushing it. So a couple of teams have literally wasted tons of money. The compliance wa terrible with a few teams. Some managements just do these things and get S&C in to keep people happy but then largely ignore the professional advice and systems they are getting.
They are very good though, for 140 they came down to west cork last Saturday and videoed our game, from 2 vantage points and are now giving us a run down in the lecture hall on Friday with a break down of what we asked for (kickouts, turnovers etc).
That’s cheap.