[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156851, member: 2272”]Are you saying Cunningham and Kingston left because of injuries to players and S+C. That is simply not true. Reasons Cunningham left are well documented. I predicted he would be exposed with Dublin and he has been badly exposed to extent 9 months into a three year term there are calls for him to be axed. Kingston left as he is working out of Ireland a lot this year. That as Benitez said is a fact. Kingston may well be the next manager if work permits. Hopefully he brings his son.
Injury record is as good or better than other teams - in last two years Dublin’s Kilkenny and O’Gara did cruciates. About a dozen other country players have done cruciates in that time. You were on about Joyce cruciate being S+C related. By your reasoning Dublin’s S+C is to blame for two cruciate injuries and is therefore not fit for purpose which is simply not true.
As for Clare - Cork, Clare were much better team on both days and Cork hung on from being able to run relentlessly and Nash penalties/frees.
I know you have an axe to grind re Cork’s S+C but what you are saying is wrong on any analysis of what has actually happened.[/QUOTE]
It’s not, and I doubt you are qualified or experienced to make that judgement.
And talking about judgement, falling out with Cunningham was very poor judgement, along with several other withdrawals.
The fact that I actually saw some of the training Cork did over the winter/spring gave me an insight into what was causing the injuries.
As for Dublin footballers, Ciaran Killkenny is a Ciaran Sheehan, Colm O Neill type guy. Big man with fast twitch qualities and an incredible load from 16-21. I would blame selfish management across many teams as the reasons for that. O Gara would seem to be an over weight trained player as well, but for a long time and he may well have worn ligaments off his own back over time.
My view on the Clare game I stated at the time and having got an insight since into both camps the training was a significant factor.
As for an axe to grind, well ya when they spend huge money on a unqualified person and can’t feed the players or provide sliothars as a Corkman I find that disgusting. Don’t underestimate what the hurling team means to Cork people.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156853, member: 273”]It’s not, and I doubt you are qualified or experienced to make that judgement.
And talking about judgement, falling out with Cunningham was very poor judgement, along with several other withdrawals.
The fact that I actually saw some of the training Cork did over the winter/spring gave me an insight into what was causing the injuries.
As for Dublin footballers, Ciaran Killkenny is a Ciaran Sheehan, Colm O Neill type guy. Big man with fast twitch qualities and an incredible load from 16-21. I would blame selfish management across many teams as the reasons for that. O Gara would seem to be an over weight trained player as well, but for a long time and he may well have worn ligaments off his own back over time.
My view on the Clare game I stated at the time and having got an insight since into both camps the training was a significant factor.
As for an axe to grind, well ya when they spend huge money on a unqualified person and can’t feed the players or provide sliothars as a Corkman I find that disgusting. Don’t underestimate what the hurling team means to Cork people.[/QUOTE]
they do feed the players after every training session and before matches (there was a mix up at a hotel which delayed a particular meal for a player with certain dietary requirements and that hotel is not used anymore) and I cannot take seriously a suggestion that they don’t provide sliotars - they have a transit van of equipment at every game
you said Cunningham was stopped doing tactics by Cork management - we saw last Saturday what Cunningham tactics are capable of - playing players out of position, playing unfit players, going man to man and taking a hiding. On the other hand it could have just been a bad day in the office and they will bounce back.
Cork are in a bad place right now - I wouldn’t be shocked to see them lose the next day whoever they play and the year written off but they do have a chance to fix things and the question is whether they take that chance - I would say it is 50/50 as to whether they change things
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156856, member: 2272”]they do feed the players after every training session and before matches (there was a mix up at a hotel which delayed a particular meal for a player with certain dietary requirements and that hotel is not used anymore) and I cannot take seriously a suggestion that they don’t provide sliotars - they have a transit van of equipment at every game
you said Cunningham was stopped doing tactics by Cork management - we saw last Saturday what Cunningham tactics are capable of - playing players out of position, playing unfit players, going man to man and taking a hiding. On the other hand it could have just been a bad day in the office and they will bounce back.
Cork are in a bad place right now - I wouldn’t be shocked to see them lose the next day whoever they play and the year written off but they do have a chance to fix things and the question is whether they take that chance - I would say it is 50/50 as to whether they change things[/QUOTE]
You can believe whatever you want. Having a van doesn’t mean the vans full. And the can is a freebie rental from CAB, it’s not something the CB paid for.
There is a stadium to be paid for.
The meal thing is a fact. I spoke to someone who was there, and it wasn’t the one you are talking about. 2 meals were taken from 2 players to feed 2 CB men. As rafa would say, FACT
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156856, member: 2272”]they do feed the players after every training session and before matches (there was a mix up at a hotel which delayed a particular meal for a player with certain dietary requirements and that hotel is not used anymore) and I cannot take seriously a suggestion that they don’t provide sliotars - they have a transit van of equipment at every game
you said Cunningham was stopped doing tactics by Cork management - we saw last Saturday what Cunningham tactics are capable of - playing players out of position, playing unfit players, going man to man and taking a hiding. On the other hand it could have just been a bad day in the office and they will bounce back.
Cork are in a bad place right now - I wouldn’t be shocked to see them lose the next day whoever they play and the year written off but they do have a chance to fix things and the question is whether they take that chance - I would say it is 50/50 as to whether they change things[/QUOTE]
Good point re Ger Cunningham and tactics. His team were hammered out the gate by JBM’s Cork in the league game and then surrendered a massive lead to them in the league semi final. If JBM is tactically niaive for the modern era so be it but where does it leave Cunningham? Even though he knows the Cork players inside out he couldn’t out manoeuvre JBM and Cork in two league games this year. And as for tactics in Tullamore last Saturday!
The problem with Cunningham last Sunday was he didn’t have them physically and mentally motivated. Everyone knows, stand back from Galway and it’s all over.
I’m not sure why lads reference Diblin though. The whole point is about the Cork managements inability to maintain important relationships. Cork were better, far far better, with Cunningham on board. It has gone back immeasurably since.
He’ll make Diblin better, he has done already. Will they win an AI? Most likely not. But that doesn’t make him a bad coach.
Cork have as good a set of forwards as they have had in years yet they are being completely under utilized and are under motivated. You allow te likes of Horgan saunter along for 2 years getting away with his non-involvement in play then it’s almost impossible to change. Having seen Cork & KK train in their hayday and seen Cork train regularly this year it’s like Senior IC to Intermediate club in terms of intensity.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156857, member: 273”]You can believe whatever you want. Having a van doesn’t mean the vans full. And the can is a freebie rental from CAB, it’s not something the CB paid for.
There is a stadium to be paid for.
The meal thing is a fact. I spoke to someone who was there, and it wasn’t the one you are talking about. 2 meals were taken from 2 players to feed 2 CB men. As rafa would say, FACT[/QUOTE]
if i had to guess and going by what i saw last sunday id say it was Aidan Walsh who had the dinner lifted out from under his snout.
with a couple of extremely average Cork forwards after leaving the panel now does this pave the way for the sub goalkeeper who scored that glorious last minute point to start corner forward the next day ?
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156999, member: 273”]The problem with Cunningham last Sunday was he didn’t have them physically and mentally motivated. Everyone knows, stand back from Galway and it’s all over.
I’m not sure why lads reference Diblin though. The whole point is about the Cork managements inability to maintain important relationships. Cork were better, far far better, with Cunningham on board. It has gone back immeasurably since.
He’ll make Diblin better, he has done already. Will they win an AI? Most likely not. But that doesn’t make him a bad coach.
Cork have as good a set of forwards as they have had in years yet they are being completely under utilized and are under motivated. You allow te likes of Horgan saunter along for 2 years getting away with his non-involvement in play then it’s almost impossible to change. Having seen Cork & KK train in their hayday and seen Cork train regularly this year it’s like Senior IC to Intermediate club in terms of intensity.[/QUOTE]
It’s premature and incorrect to say Ger Cunningham has made Dublin better already.
When Cunningham fails it will be the player’s fault
Played P Schutte when not fit - his man scores a hat trick in 11 minutes
Miss one penalty - bring on a sub to hit second penalty with first strike of the game
Subs Paul Ryan on, scores a few points and then without him being injured takes him off
Plays players out of position
Parachutes a Kerryman on to a Dublin team
His personality means he won’t be a leader and lads find it hard to relate to him so once results go against him it could go very badly wrong
9 months in and they are one more hiding away from his position being untenable
[QUOTE=“HBV*, post: 1157148, member: 234”]if i had to guess and going by what i saw last sunday id say it was Aidan Walsh who had the dinner lifted out from under his snout.
with a couple of extremely average Cork forwards after leaving the panel now does this pave the way for the sub goalkeeper who scored that glorious last minute point to start corner forward the next day ?[/QUOTE]
The sub goalkeeper is Patrick Collins mate, pretty sure he didn’t score anything last week.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156999, member: 273”]The problem with Cunningham last Sunday was he didn’t have them physically and mentally motivated. Everyone knows, stand back from Galway and it’s all over.
I’m not sure why lads reference Diblin though. The whole point is about the Cork managements inability to maintain important relationships. Cork were better, far far better, with Cunningham on board. It has gone back immeasurably since.
He’ll make Diblin better, he has done already. Will they win an AI? Most likely not. But that doesn’t make him a bad coach.
Cork have as good a set of forwards as they have had in years yet they are being completely under utilized and are under motivated. You allow te likes of Horgan saunter along for 2 years getting away with his non-involvement in play then it’s almost impossible to change. Having seen Cork & KK train in their hayday and seen Cork train regularly this year it’s like Senior IC to Intermediate club in terms of intensity.[/QUOTE]
in what sense has he made them better.
they are significantly weaker with rushe up front and Keaney in the half back line
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1157177, member: 2272”]When Cunningham fails it will be the player’s fault
Played P Schutte when not fit - his man scores a hat trick in 11 minutes
Miss one penalty - bring on a sub to hit second penalty with first strike of the game
Subs Paul Ryan on, scores a few points and then without him being injured takes him off
Plays players out of position
Parachutes a Kerryman on to a Dublin team
His personality means he won’t be a leader and lads find it hard to relate to him so once results go against him it could go very badly wrong
9 months in and they are one more hiding away from his position being untenable[/QUOTE]
I realise you hae a vested interest in running him down, but where was all this stuff 2 weeks ago when they drew?
What’s success and what’s failure? Give me a target.
Cos success can’t always be measured in cups. What’s wrong with a Kerry player being on the team? The fact that he still has to use another import, Dwyer, is telling of the talent he has available to him
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156999, member: 273”]The problem with Cunningham last Sunday was he didn’t have them physically and mentally motivated. Everyone knows, stand back from Galway and it’s all over.
I’m not sure why lads reference Diblin though. The whole point is about the Cork managements inability to maintain important relationships. Cork were better, far far better, with Cunningham on board. It has gone back immeasurably since.
He’ll make Diblin better, he has done already. Will they win an AI? Most likely not. But that doesn’t make him a bad coach.
Cork have as good a set of forwards as they have had in years yet they are being completely under utilized and are under motivated. You allow te likes of Horgan saunter along for 2 years getting away with his non-involvement in play then it’s almost impossible to change. Having seen Cork & KK train in their hayday and seen Cork train regularly this year it’s like Senior IC to Intermediate club in terms of intensity.[/QUOTE]
Well they won silverware without him last year and won nought the two years he was with JBM. They got to the league final this year which is more than 10 more division one teams did. They have been beaten last two games by a team that are unbeaten this year. I am actually surprised a Ger Cunningham trained Dublin lost twice to Cork this year if he is as good as you make out and the Cork set up is the shambles you say especially given that Dublin’s record at minor and 21s is streets ahead of Cork. If he is that good a coach surely he d have outcoached cork and their management rather than suffering the defeats they did given that you make out cork preparations to be junior c standard.
There is plenty of potential in Dublin and Cork to bounce back this year if players don’t throw toys out of pram and supporters don’t start looking for managerial heads on a plate. Wait till year end for that.
In some ways is Dublin’s form even worse than Cork considering the underage success, the money that has gone into them and they have no issues with dinners or coleslaw? Cork have no dinners, no money and no provincial minor or 21 titles in donkeys years.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1157177, member: 2272”]When Cunningham fails it will be the player’s fault
Played P Schutte when not fit - his man scores a hat trick in 11 minutes
Miss one penalty - bring on a sub to hit second penalty with first strike of the game
Subs Paul Ryan on, scores a few points and then without him being injured takes him off
Plays players out of position
Parachutes a Kerryman on to a Dublin team
His personality means he won’t be a leader and lads find it hard to relate to him so once results go against him it could go very badly wrong
9 months in and they are one more hiding away from his position being untenable[/QUOTE]
The Kerryman actually played well. 3 points and hurled a bit of ball. That might have been one of the better calls he made!!