well he got 4 points from play v Lucan in the championship lately from midfield. Dublin captain under Anthony Daly , Johnny McCaffrey plays for Lucan usually midfield and they are one of the better senior teams in Dublin.
Did Vinny Murphy get a call up to Kerry footballers *
- think he played for the Kerry hurlers alright
[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1157220, member: 1379”]Well they won silverware without him last year and won nought the two years he was with JBM. They got to the league final this year which is more than 10 more division one teams did. They have been beaten last two games by a team that are unbeaten this year. I am actually surprised a Ger Cunningham trained Dublin lost twice to Cork this year if he is as good as you make out and the Cork set up is the shambles you say especially given that Dublin’s record at minor and 21s is streets ahead of Cork. If he is that good a coach surely he d have outcoached cork and their management rather than suffering the defeats they did given that you make out cork preparations to be junior c standard.
There is plenty of potential in Dublin and Cork to bounce back this year if players don’t throw toys out of pram and supporters don’t start looking for managerial heads on a plate. Wait till year end for that.
In some ways is Dublin’s form even worse than Cork considering the underage success, the money that has gone into them and they have no issues with dinners or coleslaw? Cork have no dinners, no money and no provincial minor or 21 titles in donkeys years.[/QUOTE]
Cork have better players than Dublin, I do 't think you can debate that really.
As I say, you can’t judge everything on silverware, especially the lesser competitions. If teams let Cork open up, like Dublin and limerick do and did in your references then Cork will do wreck.
That kinda proves my point though about poor tactics and preparations when you have to wait for the opposition to let you play.
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Christ we are on our way to Premier. 
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1156755, member: 2272”]I would be very surprised if Moylan has left the panel. He will get his chance now after Sunday.
With regard to other players, if a player demands a guaranteed starting position or he will leave the panel then you have to let him leave the panel albeit reluctantly. Conor O’Sullivan would have played if he had been less impatient and stayed on.
With regard to S+C it is arguable that their fitness has papered over lack of strength in depth, lack of a structured game plan to reach three AI semi finals, one AI final, 2 League finals and win Munster under current management.
They have a chance now to put in place a game plan which protects the defence and puts marquee players in position to hurt opposition. I think the defeat on Sunday means they have no choice but to make that decision and they fall on it as the last available alternative.[/QUOTE]
O’Sullivan left when he wasn’t allowed play a club game instead of Cork training having not played a game all league. Seemed a bit silly from management.
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Limerick must be awful are they? That’s the worst Cork side in years. Players all from clubs of selectors.
Things have never been right between Cork and Sars since the strike.
It’s definitely silliness. Guy hasn’t played a game all year and then prevented playing a club game to go training for a team he’s not getting a look in with. Can’t blame him for walking, players want to play games.
Of course. It’s bananas. And it highlights the generation gap between present management and the present playing bunch. Young educated guys like COS are happy enough to put their efforts into the club.
Deane on and playing well apparently.
A v B game before league final. He was on Bs. was then injured. He left because he was not getting his game. Rest is post event justification. Everybody would have preferred if he stayed and he probably regrets it now. An olive branch should be offered by management
Hmmmm, 14 different clubs on the starting team and a further 5 clubs among the 9 subs. Frank must have put a large backroom in place
what exactly are they educated in? This Cork generation may all be educated bookwise
JBM and Johnny Crowley may not degrees and post grads but they haven’t presses big enough to hold their medals. Maybe they could learn a thing or two from the older generation. I am sure the older generation went to school too and mute have just as many smarts as the present generation - its just college wasn’t as accessible back then
[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1159062, member: 1379”]what exactly are they educated in? This Cork generation may all be educated bookwise
JBM and Johnny Crowley may not degrees and post grads but they haven’t presses big enough to hold their medals. Maybe they could learn a thing or two from the older generation. I am sure the older generation went to school too and mute have just as many smarts as the present generation - its just college wasn’t as accessible back then[/QUOTE]
That’s such a dumb post it’s hard to put into words.
Life has changed. Playing IC hurling is simply not the same as when JBM played and he and much of his back room team don’t seem to have grasped that. And they believe that they had the skills themselves to mentally prepare the team and that a runner with a weekend PT course could get them physically right for the modern game.
That’s ignorant. They clearly had clout and personal skills, but that’s not enough anymore.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1159179, member: 273”]That’s such a dumb post it’s hard to put into words.
Life has changed. Playing IC hurling is simply not the same as when JBM played and he and much of his back room team don’t seem to have grasped that. And they believe that they had the skills themselves to mentally prepare the team and that a runner with a weekend PT course could get them physically right for the modern game.
That’s ignorant. They clearly had clout and personal skills, but that’s not enough anymore.[/QUOTE]
okay JBM and Johnny Crowley are from another generation. But sure the coach Mark Landers isn’t. As for education which you put such store in, Seanie McGrath spent years in UCC going to school and hurling in the Fitzgibbon which you rate so highly.
mentally prepare the team! sure the players are so smart and educated in your book they shouldn’t need much of that!
I d rather listen to a few all Ireland winners and highly decorated players to learn a thing or two than some shrink with a heap of letters after his\her name!
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1156999, member: 273”]The problem with Cunningham last Sunday was he didn’t have them physically and mentally motivated. Everyone knows, stand back from Galway and it’s all over.
I’m not sure why lads reference Diblin though. The whole point is about the Cork managements inability to maintain important relationships. Cork were better, far far better, with Cunningham on board. It has gone back immeasurably since.
He’ll make Diblin better, he has done already. Will they win an AI? Most likely not. But that doesn’t make him a bad coach.
Cork have as good a set of forwards as they have had in years yet they are being completely under utilized and are under motivated. You allow te likes of Horgan saunter along for 2 years getting away with his non-involvement in play then it’s almost impossible to change. Having seen Cork & KK train in their hayday and seen Cork train regularly this year it’s like Senior IC to Intermediate club in terms of intensity.[/QUOTE]
From an outsider looking on and from what I’ve heard Kev, the players just are not there in Cork at the moment. Ye need the big clubs in the City (Glen Rovers, the Barrs etc) to be going well similar to us with our traditional big clubs in Limerick which are more geographically spread out.
I would agree by all accounts Cunningham is a great coach, JBM is also a very schrewd hurling man but the auld saying of mushrooms shooting up seems to have dried up for ye recently. No AI for Cork in ten years is an awful statistic for ye.
[QUOTE=“The Most Infamous, post: 1159225, member: 1783”]From an outsider looking on and from what I’ve heard Kev, the players just are not there in Cork at the moment. Ye need the big clubs in the City (Glen Rovers, the Barrs etc) to be going well similar to us with our traditional big clubs in Limerick which are more geographically spread out.
I would agree by all accounts Cunningham is a great coach, JBM is also a very schrewd hurling man but the auld saying of mushrooms shooting up seems to have dried up for ye recently. No AI for Cork in ten years is an awful statistic for ye.[/QUOTE]
The Glen probably have their biggest playing representation on the cork team in 25 years at the moment. The Barrs contributed (of note) Curran in the same period, Kev Murray at a stretch but he wasn’t a Barrs man. When we contested 4 finals in a row 02-06 the team was made up predominantly of “country players”. It would be nice to have players coming from all corners but that’s a long way down our list of problems at the moment IMO!!!
It certainly isn’t the main problem. And the players, while not a vintage collection, are there.
There doesn’t seem to be the same drive from young lads to push on to make the team. There is quite a bit of dissuasion around as well and you hear an awful lot of people talk about why would you make the effort when the CB don’t match the effort of other counties.
One problem in the city is the upper middle class (think killmacud lite) nature of the dominant underage clubs like Douglas & Blackrock. They are satisfied with what they have by the time they are 21.
The Barr’s will be strong again within 10 years, they have done some very clever underage & schools work that actually involves the aforementioned Kevin Murray and won their first Feile in 20 years recently. But there remains a nice edge and mix to the Barr’s.
The Glen are struggling for volunteers of quality and experience seems to be the word.
From what I have seen and heard from well placed sources the Cork development U-15’s (under Myler and a couple of other good lads) & Cork Minors (under Denis Ring) are streets ahead of the seniors (or indeed any cork team) in terms of professionalism in an amateur setting.
The appointment at the end of this year is huge.
The Glen will be alright. Had a good Minors team a couple of years ago, a good U-14 team this year and in general they are doing ok underage. Had a lot of young lads involved against Carrig and they don’t have to worry about the big ball as much.